Sad case of deaths at sea.....not keeping watch

[MystyBlue2]

Ignoring the random PIERS MORGAN capitals, do you actually have evidence of paedophiles and terrorists committing offences and walking away with a fine?

As for your armed robber with a banana in a sock, he set out with the intent to commit a robbery with the threat of extreme violence. The trawler skipper set out to catch fish, moan about the french and come home after an uneventful trip...

Im talking about the TOTAL OUTCOMES of a situation and the PUNISHMENT given for that outcome.

It is completely back to front and half the population in the UK think the same.

As far as evidence...you'll have to delve yourself, you'll be surprised in what you come across. I have been in amongst the "Fake News" stuff before so im not linking anything.

 

[Aardee]

Im talking about the TOTAL OUTCOMES of a situation and the PUNISHMENT given for that outcome.

It is completely back to front and half the population in the UK think the same.

So if I fire a gun at you and somehow miss, I'm in the clear as no harm was done?

 

[MystyBlue2]

Im talking about the TOTAL OUTCOMES of a situation and the PUNISHMENT given for that outcome.

It is completely back to front and half the population in the UK think the same.

As far as evidence...you'll have to delve yourself, you'll be surprised in what you come across. I have been in amongst the "Fake News" stuff before so im not linking anything.

So if I fire a gun at you and somehow miss, I'm in the clear as no harm was done?

You'll probably get 2-3 years for intent and possession of a firearm but if you sell a bag of weed to a mate you'll get the same if not longer.

My point isn't about jail time.

Its about how strict the justice system is and the punishments dont back up the crime or fatal outcomes.

 

[Aardee]

You'll probably get 2-3 years for intent and possession of a firearm but if you sell a bag of weed to a mate you'll get the same if not longer.

My point isn't about jail time.

Its about how strict the justice system is and the punishments dont back up the crime or fatal outcomes.

I'd love to see the source of some of your sentencing information...

 

[Achosenman]

You'll probably get 2-3 years for intent and possession of a firearm but if you sell a bag of weed to a mate you'll get the same if not longer.

FWIW.

Section 51A of the Firearms Act 1968 provides that defendants facing sentence for certain firearms offences must receive a minimum sentence of 5 years (for defendants aged 18+ when convicted)

 

[penfold]

IMO, if any argument is ropey it would be yours. I don't see too many week-end sailors out in the conditions the professionals go out in.

We as a country along with other nations of the world require a minimum standard of competency to operate vehicles, vessels and aircraft. In the case of vehicles and aircraft, we require competence and licences regardless of commercial status, yet somehow the maritime industry in the UK is exempt. It allows amateurs to get away with no training, no competency, no insurance, no safety. It sets no seaworthiness standards for the vessels used and they can carry passengers...as long as they don't pay.

The drunken (possibly) skipper of the James 2 placed his innocent passengers (friends) into a situation that cost 3 of them their lives and left one person in jail. Had both skippers been required to satisfy a level of competence required to operate aircraft or vehicles in the UK, the outcome might well have been 3 with a good story to tell and one in jail, or more likely a few choice words exchanged as they scooted out the way.

Despite not having these regulations there is no appreciable difference in outcome to countries which do require these things of amateurs. If there is no benefit there is no reason to do it.

 

[Achosenman]

Despite not having these regulations there is no appreciable difference in outcome to countries which do require these things of amateurs. If there is no benefit there is no reason to do it.

I would say there is a benefit.

 

[MystyBlue2]

FWIW.

Yeah so you can wave a bannana in a sock about in the street like a man crazed hurt NOBODY and get 5 years, reduced to 2.5 years with good behaviour, but a known nonce can repeatedly groom, molester and abuse kids and they get a fine, relocation and therapy....to then re offend and hurt more?

Google "Bald nonce"

Look what he did and look at his punishment!

Same as known terrorists, MI5 have them on high alert and the tax payers are paying for security and constant monitoring. Why not extradite them?

Because the justice system in this country is backward and ridiculously soft!

What is going on in this country?

Like i already said, the punishments do not suit the severity of crimes.

 

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[MystyBlue2]

Thanks haha

 

[Achosenman]

Yeah so you can wave a bannana in a sock about in the street like a man crazed hurt NOBODY and get 5 years, reduced to 2.5 years with good behaviour, but a known nonce can repeatedly groom, molester and abuse kids and they get a fine, relocation and therapy....to then re offend and hurt more?

Google "Bald nonce"

Look what he did and look at his punishment!

Same as known terrorists, MI5 have them on high alert and the tax payers are paying for security and constant monitoring. Why not expedite them?

Because the justice system in this country is backward and ridiculously soft!

What is going on in this country?

Like i already said, the punishments do not suit the severity of crimes.

I do understand your position. But in a civilised country, the judiciary applies law and sentencing guidelines. There are countries that don't use this principle and beheading, crucifixions and other atrocities are not unknown. I know what sort of country I want to live in...despite its flaws.

 

[MystyBlue2]

I do understand your position. But in a civilised country, the judiciary applies law and sentencing guidelines. There are countries that don't use this principle and beheading, crucifixions and other atrocities are not unknown. I know what sort of country I want to live in...despite its flaws.

But how is this a civilised country when the crime rate is through the roof and there are more burglaries, car theft, paedophiles, rapists than ever before.

Would make more sense to come down bloody hard!

There maybe the same amount of rapists, paedophiles and terrorists in other countries BUT they are afraid of the consequences and therefore dont offend and everybody stays safe and the countries crime rate stays low.

Tougher punishments for crimes are needed.

 

[MystyBlue2]

I do understand your position. But in a civilised country, the judiciary applies law and sentencing guidelines. There are countries that don't use this principle and beheading, crucifixions and other atrocities are not unknown. I know what sort of country I want to live in...despite its flaws.

If your a good citizen your head will stay firmly intact.

Is this not the whole point of justice and punishment? Not for the act of beheadding, but moreover the fact of being petrified of being beheaded prevents you from committing the crime in the first place

 

[rotrax]

I would say there is a benefit.

I believe you are wrong.

Statistics show the UK performs very well with its non requirement of compulsory training.

If it aint broke, dont fix it..........................................

 

[Achosenman]

Then we agree to disagree. IMO it is not if, it is when the legislation will happen.

 

[Achosenman]

If your a good citizen your head will stay firmly intact.

Is this not the whole point of justice and punishment? Not for the act of beheadding, but moreover the fact of being petrified of being beheaded prevents you from committing the crime in the first place

I suspect your mindset and opinion will change as you get older.

 

[Achosenman]

But how is this a civilised country when the crime rate is through the roof and there are more burglaries, car theft, paedophiles, rapists than ever before.

Would make more sense to come down bloody hard!

There maybe the same amount of rapists, paedophiles and terrorists in other countries BUT they are afraid of the consequences and therefore dont offend and everybody stays safe and the countries crime rate stays low.

Tougher punishments for crimes are needed.

If capital punishment worked as a deterrent, there would be no murder. The stats do not support you on this.

 

[MystyBlue2]

Then we agree to disagree. IMO it is not if, it is when the legislation will happen.

I agree, More people need to be educated, i have just completed a PBL2 and i learned ALOT. Big eye opener i must say and i know that is the bottom rung in the nautical world and i will still be learning till the day i die,However sometimes as a qualified "professional" its easy to cut corners and be negligent. It's a fine line between knowledge and overconfidence.

Look at most trades,

The newly qualified guy takes time to achieve 100% precision and quality in the work piece as what he's learned is still fresh but an old timer will cut 100 corners for the same result. Which can lead to accidents.

Thats why sites nowadays need constant proof of updated paperwork and upto date CSCS.

 

[MystyBlue2]

If capital punishment worked as a deterrent, there would be no murder. The stats do not support you on this.

Well as a deterrent in Middle Eastern countries, If your convicted of child molestation, they chop off your dangly bits as punishment, same as a theif, They cut your fingers off.

I bet if we adopted that technique of punishment, All the paedophiles would very quickly be attracted to folk their own age rather than kids. and online grooming cases would fall faster than a brick.

The only folk that need worry about those severe punishments are the folk that have committed the unspeakable crimes in the first place.

Sympathy? For that kind.....NOPE

 

[Resolution]

As this is in Scuttlebutt, perhaps it is time to return to matters concerning yachting?