st599
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£8 !!St Johns Ambulance Supplies sell them for about 60p....
Proper one with non return valve? https://m.spservices.co.uk/item/Brand_SPEmergencyCPRFaceMaskwithOneWayValve_51_0_1305_0.html
RYA First Aid Course
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Proper one with non return valve? https://m.spservices.co.uk/item/Brand_SPEmergencyCPRFaceMaskwithOneWayValve_51_0_1305_0.html
IanL
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I understand that the RYA base the syllabus and the course duration based on students with no prior knowledge. Unfortunately most courses are populated by students who are repeating the course for the Nth time because they have to and hence are basically bored by the whole thing.
Much better would be a revision course for these people. As a first timer you will learn a lot and have the confidence to act when you have to. There are good instructors and some who are not so good just reading off the script and showing videos. Try to get recommendations about courses run in your area.
Much better would be a revision course for these people. As a first timer you will learn a lot and have the confidence to act when you have to. There are good instructors and some who are not so good just reading off the script and showing videos. Try to get recommendations about courses run in your area.
Twister_Ken
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That, sir, is a very good point.
AntarcticPilot
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Very good idea.
[70521]
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Depends where what your current skills are, as an ex Mountain Rescue Team member I found it a basic course.
If you are going for your RYA YachtMaster then do it. It makes the paper work much easier.
If you are going for your RYA YachtMaster then do it. It makes the paper work much easier.
Uricanejack
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As one of those bored people redoing. I think you will often find this is the case. I usually take my course from St Johns Ambulance. it's an Occupational basic standard intended for any generic work place. We usually ask for add on for marine and for kids and infants. There is usually a mix of first time, those who have not done a course for donkeys and regular repeaters.
The instructors are good, its what they do, they instruct right up to paramedic level.
A mix of participants is good. some times you can learn a lot from other participants.
I have done through the sailing school I worked at. its pretty much the same about half first timers and half instructors who were renewing. The instructor was good, and enthusiastic.
I will say again. Any first Aid course is worth doing and repeating.
It appears the RYA will accept most First Aid Course which meet the standard.
MikeCC
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Did the RYA course 18 months ago after an MOB incident and feeling a little lacking. Turned out we wouldn't have done anything very different (he made full recovery).
Good to try CPR at proper force on a dummy.
Like all courses, very much depends on the instructor.
Basically, check breathing, beating, bleeding.
Good to try CPR at proper force on a dummy.
Like all courses, very much depends on the instructor.
Basically, check breathing, beating, bleeding.
[70521]
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There are very, very few medically qualified people who are good at teaching or performing first aid! They have a totally different skill set best used when the causality arrives at A&E.
There are a few, e.g. Dr David Hillebrandt (see link below), who have studied the dark art and are both brilliant at lecturing and being a GP, but I recommend you find a good paramedic/lifeboat crew member who understands the particular environment we might need to practice the dark art in.
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/ismm-world-congress-mountain-medicine-bolzano-report
colind3782
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+1 :encouragement:
KellysEye
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We found he course fascinatiing one of the most interesting things was targetted drugs for ENT, chest, bones etc etc. Included was two drugs to take that will delay an appendix bursting for 24 hours so you can get help. The appendix test is when you push on it doesn't hurt when you release the pressure it does.
colind3782
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That's one of the tests but it also works for an ovarian cyst, unusual in males though!
Twister_Ken
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Not sure about that, with all the old women around here...
Seajet
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Having been on the wrong end of it, I can assure you the test for a dodgy appendix works very well;
If the casualty has very severe lower abdominal pain, press reasonably hard with crossed palms on the tummy then suddenly lift off your hands;
If they don't gasp in agony and try to kill you, it's probably not the appendix !
In fact I was a few hours gone after realising I was in big trouble, was cramped up near doubled in pain when my Dad sauntered back after I'd been to the Doc' with what he ( Dad ) thought was just indigestion.
In the 1960's some long distance sailors had their appedixes removed as a precaution; I think this an excellent idea before an ocean trip - I would never have made it even if airlifted off by a handy helo & ship, according to the Doc' who worked on me when we discussed this later.
As for instructor qualities, we once had an SBS Medic who really told us it how is, trying to get air into people past vomit etc, but we all - ladies and gents apart from me - really appreciated the real life info.
Yes the breather tubes I meant were the one way valve shallow ' breath of life ' jobs, no way intubating.
If the casualty has very severe lower abdominal pain, press reasonably hard with crossed palms on the tummy then suddenly lift off your hands;
If they don't gasp in agony and try to kill you, it's probably not the appendix !
In fact I was a few hours gone after realising I was in big trouble, was cramped up near doubled in pain when my Dad sauntered back after I'd been to the Doc' with what he ( Dad ) thought was just indigestion.
In the 1960's some long distance sailors had their appedixes removed as a precaution; I think this an excellent idea before an ocean trip - I would never have made it even if airlifted off by a handy helo & ship, according to the Doc' who worked on me when we discussed this later.
As for instructor qualities, we once had an SBS Medic who really told us it how is, trying to get air into people past vomit etc, but we all - ladies and gents apart from me - really appreciated the real life info.
Yes the breather tubes I meant were the one way valve shallow ' breath of life ' jobs, no way intubating.
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Seajet
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On a separate note I saw in a recent Isle Of Wight News, they're getting de-fibrilators useable by the public at a few points around the Island.
Well there are ambulances screaming to and fro quite a few times, every day, but no hospital of any kind nearby for miles; people are even inconsiderate enough to have accidents or become ill at weekends !
Giving out defribulators seems like the idea of the ultimate cynical NHS accountant, or maybe a way to sort out delinquent vandals ?
" Take it off the ' stun ' setting for this one ! "
Well there are ambulances screaming to and fro quite a few times, every day, but no hospital of any kind nearby for miles; people are even inconsiderate enough to have accidents or become ill at weekends !
Giving out defribulators seems like the idea of the ultimate cynical NHS accountant, or maybe a way to sort out delinquent vandals ?
" Take it off the ' stun ' setting for this one ! "
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Uricanejack
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No point in over complicating it.
You need a qualified First Aid Instructor to teach the course. Its First Aid not a medical course.
There are courses for ship captains and offshore sailors which are about medical treatment which are quite a different kettle of fish. The days of removing an appendix with a pen knife are long gone and probably just a myth.
The type of First Aid Kit the vast majority of sailors will have on board contain no prescription drugs at all and probably not even over the counter drugs.
You might put some aspirin, in the medicine cabinet along with any prescriptions you or your crew have already been given. But that's not First Aid.
You need a qualified First Aid Instructor to teach the course. Its First Aid not a medical course.
There are courses for ship captains and offshore sailors which are about medical treatment which are quite a different kettle of fish. The days of removing an appendix with a pen knife are long gone and probably just a myth.
The type of First Aid Kit the vast majority of sailors will have on board contain no prescription drugs at all and probably not even over the counter drugs.
You might put some aspirin, in the medicine cabinet along with any prescriptions you or your crew have already been given. But that's not First Aid.
Uricanejack
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Some years ago. I had a mid 40s crew member collapse with a heart attack.
We saw him go bellow and thought it strange so went to check and found him unconscious on his bunk. we started CPR right away. Then realised you cant do CPR on a bunk. Its very Difficult to do CPR on the deck between bunks.
We had a German Doctor with us. The first thing he asked for was my portable defibrillator. Or AED. He told me several times "he a young man" "He's strong" with an AED. I can get him back. I lost count of how often he told me. "I could save him". every time he took a break from CPR.
We did CPR for over 3 hours before we landed him at hospital. where he was pronounced. Officially he did not die on board.
The Doctor was Horrified we did not have a portable Automated External Defibrillator on board. He explained they were standard in Germany in almost all public places. Cheap and can be used by untrained persons. He praised our CPR. 3 hours was just to long
This death on my boat was preventable. If we had an AED.
About 5 or 6 years ago The BC Government changed policy and requires most public places to have an Automated External Defibrillator. It is a requirement Occupational First Aid Attendants are trained to Use them. Even though they are idiot proof, automated, and no training is required.
They only cost of an AED is only about 1000 to 1500 bucks.
They are well worth it. They improve the chances of survival dramatically.
Good on The Isle of White.
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Daydream believer
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That is the real item that always amazes me. We did this at school 40 years ago & it seems the medical profession still does not know how to do it & changes its mind every 15 years
Recently they published that bacon was bad for you - when any drunk knows that the morning after a bacon sarnie is about as good as it gets
My grandad had bacon & eggs for breakfast for 70 years ( could not afford it for the first 20) & died at 90
If only I could tell him it was the bacon that done it & not the car that clipped him at the bus stop
As for the RYA course - I did it & i have forgotten just about everything, except that I did go & buy some triangular bandages ---& put a roll of shrink wrap in the kit to cover burns ( advice I got, not from the RYA but from the pharmacist when i ordered the bandages
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Blue Sunray
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Having had a fair amount of in-house First Aid/medical instruction over my time in a previous job I had to to a St John First Aid At Work course on changing employment a couple of years ago, I found it dire. The instructors were a couple of retired ladies whose qualification seemed to be that they had spent their spare time whilst in employment handing out sticking plasters and Vaseline at various public events over the years. As others have indicated it seemed to be mostly a 'box ticking' exercise rather than intended to provide any real life saving knowledge - about half a day's content squeezed into three (or was it four?) days.
In contrast I've attended a very good sports first aid course run over half a day - an experienced instructor brought in and given a a clear brief as to what was required. Far more useful, however this did not tick any legislative boxes.
My feeling is that any short generic course is going to be limited in its use beyond the basic level - but if you don't have any knowledge it's a good place to start. Oh and don't touch a St John's course with a bargepole.
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Trop Cher
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Sorry, but you can't be so certain of this. This death MAY have been preventable, if you had access to an AED.
People die from heart attacks even in hospitals with access to more than just AEDs, young and previously healthly people among them.