RYA and BMF hail "Common sense solution"

[wp1234]

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RYA and BMF - they were never going to have any influence on this tax decision anyway were they folks.. ... We were probably deluding ourselves thinking that they ever could - RYA / BMF -never have never will join.On the flip side HMRC had a free and easy way of publicising how they were going to rip off yet another segment of the UK.
Can’t be many law-abiding citizens left now that hasnt been subjected to Labours rape and pillage .
Can a boat owning MP claim £250 worth of fuel on his expenses without a receipt I wonder ?

 

[SolentPhill]

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Time to dust ourselves down and get on with it. It's history now, so little point whinging about it. Its a 44% increase which sure is bad but not as bad as it could have been. Think negative and let it spoil our hobby, or be positive and just "get on with it".

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Dont think its as easy as that.

There will be losers, this yr and last yr I spend at least 1 in 3 weekends on the boat going to the Solent visiting local marinas, it costs about £200 -£300 in fuel each time I can handle that, but £400 - £600 I cant every 3rd weekend, so I will do it once in 4 or 5 weeks.

Who is the loser? me? the family? the marina? the local pubs and restaurants? I think all.

Have no fear this will not kill the business but it will slow it down.

Jethro once said the Govt will never stop one thing and thats the Human enjoying and laughing at life, but they are getting bloody close

 

[rubberduck]

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I agree, it wont kill things but it will slow down a bit, I think boating will get closer to the rich mans sport it once was, not the middle class sport it has become over the last few years. Best we all get back on that wheel & start running a bit faster. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Andrew_Fanner]

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The French, Spanish, German and Scandanavians have always had to pay full whack for fuel. Time we stopped moaning like a bunch of old hens. Positivity!
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True, but their full whack has always been a lot lower than our full whack, just not low enough to make going there and buying theirs viable for many folk.

 

[MedDreamer]

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Anyone who followed the Windermere speed ban issue is already aware of the RYA attitude to Motor boaters

 

[Divemaster1]

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The French, Spanish, German and Scandanavians have always had to pay full whack for fuel. Time we stopped moaning like a bunch of old hens. Positivity!
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True, but their full whack has always been a lot lower than our full whack, just not low enough to make going there and buying theirs viable for many folk.

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Norway still have "rebated stuff" ... and I think that in this "high cost country" marine diesel retails between 70 and 85 pence per litre..

and std road diesel for £1.01 - £1.03 / L ..

 

[Major Catastrophe]

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Norway still have "rebated stuff" ... and I think that in this "high cost country" marine diesel retails between 70 and 85 pence per litre..

and std road diesel for £1.01 - £1.03 / L ..

[/ QUOTE ] Norway is not in the EU.

Mind you, neither is the Isle of Man, so it will be interesting what they will do, but as they abide by EU VAT rules, maybe not a lot.

 

[Divemaster1]

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Being Norwegian, I am aware that it is not in the EU, but still part of the EEA.. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The point I wanted to make was that Norway is very much portrayed as a high cost country, with V high taxation.... this is obviously not reflected in the taxation of fuel, which percentage wise on salaries represents a lower cost than "over here".

 

[Major Catastrophe]

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Sorry, forgot you were.

How much is a beer? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[KevB]

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this is the full press release


Published: 02/03/2008

the key features of the new scheme for charging duty on marine diesel to be introduced by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) with effect from 1 November 2008 will be:

• Private users can continue to use marked fuel (red diesel) providing they make a simple declaration to the supplier and pay the full duty rate for heavy oil;
• Registered Dealers in Controlled Oils (RDCOs) will be responsible for declaring the duty collected to HMRC; and,
• Fuel purchased for domestic use (i.e. not for propulsion of the craft) can continue to be purchased at the rebated rate.

HMRC have yet to issue a public statement but have released to the RYA its Impact Assessment which is available in related links above.

Under the new scheme, HMRC envisage that boaters will ‘self declare’ whether they are a commercial or recreational vessel and recreational vessels will pay the full duty rate. Fuel used for heating purposes on board will continue to be sold at the rebated rate of duty and the retailer will take the owner's word, again based on self declaration, on what proportion is for heating or lighting and what is for propulsion.

Dave Fitzgerald, HMRC confirmed that the core policy had been fixed but that they would be working closely with RYA, BMF and other stakeholders in relation to developing the detail of the declaration process and apportionment of fuel for domestic use. Following that consultation process, HMRC will produce comprehensive guidance.

Neil Northmore, the RYA’s Government Affairs Advisor, said: “Since the decision was made to charge a higher rate of duty on red diesel, which required a new regime, we have been working hard with HMRC to find a sensible solution for all.

“Our main concerns were availability and safety, and we were aware that there was a danger that some retailers in more remote areas would simply not bother selling to pleasure boats on the premise that it would be more trouble than it was worth to distinguish between private and commercial craft, and then process the paperwork.”

The onus will be on the owner of the boat to self-declare whether they are a commercial or recreational vessel and pay the appropriate rate of duty at the pump. Anyone falsely declaring they own a commercial vessel may be subject to enforcement action by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs.

Howard Pridding, Executive Director of the British Marine Federation, said:

“While no-one is going to pretend that the duty increase on red diesel is a good thing, we are pleased with how HMRC has managed the consultation process and the position that they have finally adopted. There were real fears that the marine industry would be hit with significantly increased costs and administrative burdens but HMRC has listened to our concerns and come up with a system which the BMF feels able to support.

“The proposed system spreads the burden between boaters and the industry in a fair way and hopefully will ensure that, with the industry able to keep the existing infrastructure, boaters will still be able to access fuel in convenient locations.”

The campaign to secure future diesel supplies for recreational boaters has been running since 2003.

The RYA and BMFs work with the HM Revenue and Customs has been instrumental in ensuring diesel remains available, particularly in remote areas where the priority has always been supplying commercial vessels.

“This solution ticks many of the boxes for recreational boaters. Availability will not be affected, which gets rid of the safety concern, and the potential for reams of paperwork or even registration of craft, to identify commercial vessels from recreational ones, has been minimised” Neil added.

The only real remaining issue is how the impact of increased diesel prices will affect the marine leisure industry and participation. The RYA will continue to work with the Government to assess the impact of this.


I see we get a mention right at the bottom as an after thought. I think there needs to be an organisation that looks specificaly after motorboaters.
Anybody fancy starting something?