Running Rigging Setup Question - Sun Fizz

[trumes]

Hi,

Can anybody put a name to each of the the below rigging please? I have been left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner.

 

[jdc]

No, because it's been left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner! The sheaves in the mast are a bit random, you can feed pretty much any halyard through any sheave. The functions will probably be:

1. Topping-lift
2. Main halyard
3. Jib/Genoa/yankee halyard
4. Spinnaker halyard
5. Spinaker uphaul

It's most convenient if:

1. the topping-lift comes to a convenient cleat,
2. the main halyard comes with a good feed angle to a mast-mounted winch
3. the jib halyard goes to a good cleat or jammer, preferably one which could lead to a winch before being cleated.
4. the spinnaker halyard comes to the other winch (opposite the main)
5. the spinnaker up-haul comes to the cockpit

But frankly, anything is possible given it was 'left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner'. What do the small jam cleats at the stbd front side of the mast do? Another variable is the size of boat: Many have such small spinnaker poles that up-hauls and down-hauls can just go to jammers. But on mine you need a winch.

 

[Sea Change]

Now I'm confused, on your other thread you said there were no halyards in the mast. But these photos show that they're there. Have they been pulled to the masthead? That's annoying but a much easier job than running new ones!

 

[colind3782]

Where are you/the boat trumes? If a friendly forum member is close by, someone may be able to cast an eye over your setup and advise.

 

[trumes]

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No, because it's been left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner! The sheaves in the mast are a bit random, you can feed pretty much any halyard through any sheave. The functions will probably be:

1. Topping-lift
2. Main halyard
3. Jib/Genoa/yankee halyard
4. Spinnaker halyard
5. Spinaker uphaul

It's most convenient if:

1. the topping-lift comes to a convenient cleat,
2. the main halyard comes with a good feed angle to a mast-mounted winch
3. the jib halyard goes to a good cleat or jammer, preferably one which could lead to a winch before being cleated.
4. the spinnaker halyard comes to the other winch (opposite the main)
5. the spinnaker up-haul comes to the cockpit

But frankly, anything is possible given it was 'left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner'. What do the small jam cleats at the stbd front side of the mast do? Another variable is the size of boat: Many have such small spinnaker poles that up-hauls and down-hauls can just go to jammers. But on mine you need a winch.

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No, because it's been left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner! The sheaves in the mast are a bit random, you can feed pretty much any halyard through any sheave. The functions will probably be:

1. Topping-lift
2. Main halyard
3. Jib/Genoa/yankee halyard
4. Spinnaker halyard
5. Spinaker uphaul

It's most convenient if:

1. the topping-lift comes to a convenient cleat,
2. the main halyard comes with a good feed angle to a mast-mounted winch
3. the jib halyard goes to a good cleat or jammer, preferably one which could lead to a winch before being cleated.
4. the spinnaker halyard comes to the other winch (opposite the main)
5. the spinnaker up-haul comes to the cockpit

But frankly, anything is possible given it was 'left in a bit of a mess by the previous owner'. What do the small jam cleats at the stbd front side of the mast do? Another variable is the size of boat: Many have such small spinnaker poles that up-hauls and down-hauls can just go to jammers. But on mine you need a winch.

Hi JDC,

Thank you so much for the detailed reply—it’s exactly what I needed! I’m a complete newbie to sailing, but I’m good with my hands and passionate about getting this boat ready. I’m currently refurbishing it while doing my training, so any advice from you and others on the forum is greatly appreciated.

I’ll send over a few more photos of the current setup soon. The boat hasn’t been in the water for quite a while, and many of the lines are brittle or cut off. Thankfully, I still have some lines that run to the top of the mast, but I’m not entirely sure what they’re for. With some help from the forum, I’m hoping we can identify these lines and get everything rigged correctly to get her back on the water!

I’m working with a tight budget, so hiring a local rigger isn’t really an option. Not only is the yard’s internal rigger fully booked, but bringing in an outside contractor would involve extra fees just to work on the premises, which I can’t afford right now.

Currently, I have a roller furling setup with two lines that lead down from the top of the mast and are clipped to the bow handrails. There’s also another line running aft from the top of the mast, clipped to the starboard handrails, which I think might be for suspending the boom. I’ll take some photos and mark them up as soon as possible for reference.

Thanks again for your help everyone

 

[trumes]

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Hi JDC,

Thank you so much for the detailed reply—it’s exactly what I needed! I’m a complete newbie to sailing, but I’m good with my hands and passionate about getting this boat ready. I’m currently refurbishing it while doing my training, so any advice from you and others on the forum is greatly appreciated.

I’ll send over a few more photos of the current setup soon. The boat hasn’t been in the water for quite a while, and many of the lines are brittle or cut off. Thankfully, I still have some lines that run to the top of the mast, but I’m not entirely sure what they’re for. With some help from the forum, I’m hoping we can identify these lines and get everything rigged correctly to get her back on the water!

I’m working with a tight budget, so hiring a local rigger isn’t really an option. Not only is the yard’s internal rigger fully booked, but bringing in an outside contractor would involve extra fees just to work on the premises, which I can’t afford right now.

Currently, I have a roller furling setup with two lines that lead down from the top of the mast and are clipped to the bow handrails. There’s also another line running aft from the top of the mast, clipped to the starboard handrails, which I think might be for suspending the boom. I’ll take some photos and mark them up as soon as possible for reference.

Thanks again for your help everyone

Apologies for all the 7777777777777 !! My Bluetooth keyboard jammed and it looks like it posted it!

 

[trumes]

Now I'm confused, on your other thread you said there were no halyards in the mast. But these photos show that they're there. Have they been pulled to the masthead? That's annoying but a much easier job than running new ones!

Hi Seachange,

Hopefully my post to JDC covers it. I have 3 lines running to the top of the mast that I have access to from the deck but only one runs aft of the mast so I presumed this to be the one that suspends the boom.

 

[trumes]

Where are you/the boat trumes? If a friendly forum member is close by, someone may be able to cast an eye over your setup and advise.

I'm currently in Preveza. Almost everyone is heading home now, as flights stop for the winter in early November. I’m also flying back to the UK on Tuesday, catching one of the last flights out. Before I leave, I’m trying to gather as much information as possible on what I’ll need for my return early next year to continue the restoration.

 

[Daydream believer]

You need a set of stickers at the deck end clarifying the exact purpose when you know. There was a company doing this on a special sheet, but you can always have your own done
In times of stress the skipper can then instruct any crew on which piece of cordage to pull
you need:-
Up f..ker
Down f..ker
This f..ker
That f..ker
The other f..ker
Right f..ker
Left f..ker
What f..ker
Both f..kers
Wrong f..ker

 

[wallacebob]

Maybe better asking or looking here..https://jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/1392/sun-fizz-rush-owners-manuals

 

[trumes]

Maybe better asking or looking here..https://jeanneau.proboards.com/thread/1392/sun-fizz-rush-owners-manuals

Thank you, Wallacebob. I did join, but it’s nowhere near as active as this forum. The Sun Fizz manual I downloaded was a photocopy from the '90s in French—barely legible. I’ve seen others on this forum asking for a clear English version with decipherable photos.

 

[trumes]

Here are the lines I have running to the top of the mast currently that I have access to from the deck.

 

[Sea Change]

Well that's a lot better than having no masthead lines .
A note of caution: if and when you climb the mast, do not use those clips to secure yourself. Just tie a bowline, or even better a climbers' figure of eight loop.

 

[Daydream believer]

At the front of the mast the one exiting just below the shroud attachment isthe jib halyard & attaches to the furler roller. The one exiting the mast above the shroud attachment is the spinnaker or cruising chute attachment. It is above the shroud attachment point as it allows the chute to be gybed. The one under does not need to do that.
No3 shackle looks like a typical mainsail shackle, so would indicate mainsail halyard, if it exits from behind the mast

 

[Tranona]

The one going aft is either the main halyard or the topping lift that goes to the end of the boom. Normally them main halyard exits on the starboard side to the winch on the mast and the topping lift on port. so you can easily check which it is. The shackle on line 3 is of a type that is commonly used for either. There are no hard and fast rules, but you are missing one halyard aft of the mast. Usually the main halyard is a size bigger than the topping lift. On that size boat the main could be either 12 or 14mm, so if the one you have is 10mm it is almost certainly the topping lift.