ylop
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Logic, intuition and evidence don’t always match up though.
Run aground at low water? Put your anchor out!
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Chiara’s slave
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They’re rarely in evidence in government at any rate.
shanemax
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There are rules and minimum standards for a boat on the Norfolk Broads (mainly non-tidal) but a yacht sailing around the whole coast of the UK. has very little to take into account. No....it doesn't make sense.
billskip
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So if I wanted to go out in a boat to commit suicide you suggest i get my rya YM ocean ticket first.
KevinV
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Do I have to destroy the interior? Can't I just use a fender?
Wansworth
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One has to use your own initiative in this matter
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I once had to wait for the tide in the entrance to the River Axe at Uphill, near Weston-Super-Mare - it was too windy out to anchor off and wait, and the wind and tide directions made me nervous to just sail around a bit in case I got swept off towards Bristol and couldn't claw back! So I headed in along the withies, and once I got into the shelter of the river mouth, I nosed into the mud and chucked the old CQR as far up the mudbank as I could. It landed at about my head height and vanished deep into the soft mud, pulling a couple of feet of chain in behind it. No worries about it burying there!
shanemax
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Yes I think you should because by the time you do all that study and practical work you might have changed your mind about committing suicide, if not I am more than willing to take you out in my own boat and give you a push over the side.
shanemax
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I think you missed the point. I do not like unnecessary stupid rules but I break the law if I pick up a £50 hand held vhf marine radio without a license but am free to sail a 60ft yacht around the uk with no training breaking no laws at all.
Mister E
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I say to the passengers don't try to be professional and clever it is not be some American film.
Just hold the transmit button and say help let go of the button count to sixty then repeat help until someone asks what you need.
The professional people will then sort out the mess as they know what questions to ask.
I don't expect people to be really calm in those sort of situations. So the instructions must be simple.
No licence is needed for the above.
But only after you have decided what to do with my body.
Just hold the transmit button and say help let go of the button count to sixty then repeat help until someone asks what you need.
The professional people will then sort out the mess as they know what questions to ask.
I don't expect people to be really calm in those sort of situations. So the instructions must be simple.
No licence is needed for the above.
But only after you have decided what to do with my body.
lustyd
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Please let’s not joke about suicide, the RNLI in some areas have a majority of shouts helping people with such mental health issues right now. One I spoke to had almost no shouts to help boats last year 
ghostlymoron2
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Very early in my sailing career, we had sailed across to Pwllheli and set out on the return under power (outboard) two things happened: the wind dropped, and the outboard stopped. We found ourselves drifting towards the rocks at that point, serious thought was not possible, panic mode set in but I did have the sense to vhf call the coastguard who answered immediately and politely. She asked if I had an anchor when I answered yes, she said deploy it and she'll arrange the inshore lifeboat to attend. I did as she suggested and a few minutes later the lifeboat appeared, threw us a tow and pulled us back into harbour. I soon diagnosed the problem and we set off again and completed the trip. Lesson learned!
RunAgroundHard
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Radio frequencies are useful things, allowing all sorts of information to be transferred near and far, across international boundaries, for a huge range of purposes for commercial and leisure. No state owns them, all can use them. Hence a degree of control and cooperation is needed to exploit their utility. A 60 foot yacht on the other hand has a very limited sphere of influence. It is entirely reasonable that there are laws around routine VHF usage and not around a 60’ private, leisure yacht usage.
Stemar
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I have a licence, and try to use correct RT procedure but, if I go for an unscheduled swim, Madame knows how to lift the flap and press the button underneath. At that point, while correct procedure may get the details across a bit quicker, I have no doubt that the CG will help her to give the information needed. They already know who we are, where we are, and we've got a problem.
ylop
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But you have indirectly explained why in reality the misuses of vhf radios to the detriment (and some potential safety risk of others) is a common issue but few 60’ yachts circumnavigating the U.K. risk others.
Anyone can afford to buy a £50 handheld and clutter Ch16 blocking distress messages getting through, waffle on on VTS channels preventing ship safety traffic etc. Few people can afford to buy and run a 60ft yacht, fewer without insurance, and most will have either experience or training.
You may want to note that whilst training is not required for you to own or use a pleasure vessel it doesn’t mean that the merchant shipping act doesn’t apply - so if you use the vessel dangerously you could still be prosecuted.
ylop
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hopefully your radio is on an appropriate channel on max power to start with. Stickers / laminated cards are available with an actual mayday message which takes less time to transmit than “Help” 1 min “Help” and will get more attention, with and save a lot of time gathering the info. Help will already be being arranged before “station broadcasting help on ch16 please identify your vessel Over” has had a sensible response. That’s assuming they remember to let go of the button which a panicky guest might not!
Mister E
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As sometimes my passengers are the grandchildren then the oldest being 8 would not be really up to date on the proper vhf procedure.
The only reason they would need the radio would be me collapsed.
In an emergency people need simple instructions to follow not some text book thing to forget.
The only reason they would need the radio would be me collapsed.
In an emergency people need simple instructions to follow not some text book thing to forget.
billskip
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I didn't miss the point, infact I was being just as silly as the rules,(well the way they are interpreted by some) I think there is too much (imho ) of rules and regulations causing concern when people want to enjoy hobbies and leisure pass times,
Geezuss you can't complement a pretty girl these days....
seeSimon
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Agree.
I used to share an office block with a guy from UK Radio Communications Agency. For big "raids" they'd upman to a team.
He used to drive about in an unmarked landrover with a big extending radio mast on the top...40 ft maybe? This was to detect sources on non compliance. He said that this could be cross channel "leakage" or "bleed" , persistent interference, deliberate jamming, or pirate radio stations (in those days a big problem in Bristol). He was also very interested in radio base stations, predominantly shore based comms with mobile units. In our area it was farmers (often some sort of CB) and companies communicating with their inshore fleets (shore based use of Marine channels).
This was in the days before widespread relatively affordable satcomms.
He didn't generally seem interested in personal operator licences...it was more about managing/enforcing the radio spectrum for the use of all.
Things may have changed?
Blimey we're a long way from anchoring, OP...
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KevinV
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Of course you can, but there's a huge difference between "you look lovely" and "you don't get many of those to the pound"