Rubbing rail, running water -I think!

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On Easter Sunday I sailed my Signet 20 from Torquay to Dartmouth in favourable winds. We made generally between 5 and 6 knots, but with heal in excess of 20 degrees and plenty of weather helm; I could have released the main a little and steered closer to the wind, but this seemed to slow us down and is well... a lot less fun it has to be said. The water level was consistently over the lee side winch and at times over the window.

On arrival ot Darmouth following the removal of the sails and under the power of of the outboard, it became apparent on a trip below that all the stowages were completely full of water, and the wooden floor was floating about 3 inches higher than where it should be.

There's a wooden rubbing strip with the lower edge about 10mm lower then the horizontal of the outstand to which it is fixed and about 10mm offset from the hull, together forming a 10 x 10mm longtitudinal soffit recess along the interface between the rail and the hull.

I think under the sailing conditions as given above, there would be considerable water pressure under this recess. The boat is 1975, and the original sealant may well have perished.

The question is do I need to remove and refit the rubbing rail with new sealant, or would filling the recess underneath with sealant do the trick, and also am I missing the point completely - is it possible to take on board that much water through the bolt fixings of the rail?

Any suggestions based on any similar experience would be appreciated.

Had a cracking sail though!

Mat

P.S. Heading off for Turkey via France, Italy and Greece on 6th May 2002; with the limited time left maybe I should make the bilge pump a permanent fitting rather than a stowed item of kit!?
 
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We had a similar problem on our Colvic Springtide. Although the amount of water we took in was nothing like as dramatic as you describe. The bunk cushions in the forward cabin used to be soaking wet after a few hours' beat. The problem disappeared when we replaced the rubbing rail and glued/sealed a wooden fillet between the overhang of the rubbing rail and the hull. Best of luck finding the cause - we never did.
 

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Most likely it was the window - most of us have leaks from time to time. Sadly there is no alternative but to loosen the frame, clean out old sealant and rebed.

I would try this first before stripping off the rubbing rail; sealing this from the inside, should it prove to be the culprit, is not going to work = external water pressure will blow away internally fitted sealant. But I guess you knew that really.

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Have also had this problem with my Jaguar 27 - last year I removed the port rubbing strip(aluminium extrusion with a PVC strip inserted). I removed all the old sealant, fitted extra screws, new sealant and replaced the rubbing strip and sealed under the strip as well. And it still leaked last summer! And I had resealed the windows as well! Also removed and sealed both Genoa tracks(hell of a job, they must have fitted the tracks to the deck before fitting to the hull, impossible to get at the nuts without cutting away the lining - two screws were not long enough and with no nuts...) and I still don't know were the water comes in. Good Luck!
 
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We had the same experience with our Hurley 22, the only permanent solution was to remove Toe/Rubbing rail and re poly sulphide, in addition to this we removed all stanchion bases, only to find that they had never seen any sealant, so we decided to check all deck fitting, didn't take too long, but well worth it. Dancing Dream is now nice and dry, with no damp storage spaces.
 

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I don't have a map beside me so I don't know how long you were sailing for. However it sounds like you got several tens of litres of water in your boat. If so may I suggest you work out (roughly) how many litres per hour were flowing in and what size hole that would have required. It sounds like more than a trickle through bolt holes.

Could water have come in through a sink or toilet?
 
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