Route planning advice: Trondheim to Bergen.

[wayneA]

I’m starting to passage & route plan bringing a Warrior 35 back to UK from Trondheim, Norway. Planning to do the trip from about last week of August to first weeks of September, crossing North Sea from Bergen to Aberdeen.

Any advice on the route south or passage in general, is most gratefully received.

Also, I know I can use Batsportkartserien chart folios between Bergen and Smola but Batsportkartserien don’t seem to cover Trondheim Fjord. Any advice on what charts are best for Trondheim fjord?

Many Thanks in Advance.

Wayne


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[Bejasus]

Why Bergen to Aberdeen Wayne. Why not Trondheim to Esbjerg in Denmark & Denmark to Newcastle or further south? BTW, let me know how you get on with the surveyor please.

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[wayneA]

My main priority is getting the boat back to the UK as quickly and safely as possible, as the crew has limited time - unfortunately we all have work commitments. I’m allowing a week to prepare her for the trip (depending on the survey?) and then about 2 Weeks for the passage, allowing a little ‘space’ for weather. Once in the UK it will be easier to leave her somewhere and then ‘long weekend’ her around to the West Country. If I don’t get her to the UK in that time, due to weather and the like, I’d probably have to hire a delivery crew.

Also, I will need to import the boat into the EU (VAT etc.) and would be more comfortable doing this in the UK.

I’m just in the beginning stages of the plan and very open to ideas/advice. There are probably loads of options that I haven’t considered, so please throw in your £0.02 worth if you think there is a better way – all ideas welcome. Why Denmark to Newcastle – how long do think?

Still working on the surveyor. Spoke to your chap, but think we became victims to the language barrier with technical issues. PM me if you’d like more info. Once again George, many thanks for your help, especially the time and trouble you have gone to with the surveyor, it is most appreciated.

Cheers

Wayne


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[webcraft]

Don't head for Aberdeen, go to Peterhead.

Aberdeen is totally non-yacht friendly - they will try to refuse you entry unless you are sinking or on fire . . .

Peterhead is slightly nearer, and is an excellent, sheltered marina to leave the boat in. You can enter in all weather and tidal conditions, and the harbour is very yacht-aware due to the marina.

In a Warrior 35 assuming you have diesel for any calms you can allow 3 days Bergen to Peterhead maximum. I did Kristiansand to Peterhead in an Albin Vega last year in 71 hours, motoring approx. 25% of the time.

The only obstacles are the oil rigs - an up to date chart will show most of these and they're pretty obvious anyway! The N. Sea can be pretty hostile, but my eight years working on the rigs showed me that it's usually a pussycat in August. Be prepared for the possibility of fog, though - I think August is probably the foggiest month. Fog in the N. Sea does not mean no wind, however - you can get fog with winds up to F5.

Have a good trip,

Nick


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[wayneA]

Thanks Nick - good advice, will go for Peterhead.

We will have no radar, only reflector, for the fog, so will try to get a good forecast to head back. Does the fog tend to be the unpredictable patches of advection fog or the solid bank type?

Cheers

Wayne

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[Bejasus]

I have sent you a PM Wayne. Another alternative if the weather permits.....Bergen to Inverness, then through the Caledonian Canal across to the West Coast and down the West coast to your base. Plenty of people on here can give you advice on the West coast of Scotland.

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[webcraft]

Summer fog in the N. Sea tends to be solid banks that can last for a day or two. It causes frequent disruption to chopper traffic to and from the rigs in Summer.

I think that if caught in bad fog in or near the oilfields I would be inclined to call up the nearest rig or supply vessel on the VHF and request the use of their radar as 'eyes' occasionally for traffic information. Although I've not done this, I am sure they would be happy to help.

Having said that, there was not a wisp of the stuff on our July crossing last year. I would estimate the oilfields suffer an average of 2 - 4 days serious fog in August most years.

- Nick

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[Viking]

I hope all goes well for you. If your plans happen to take in Ålesund on your route down to Bergen let me know.
Good luck

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[wayneA]

Thanks Viking - I will. Cheers Wayne

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[ponapay]

August is normally regarded as a bit late in the year for sailing N of the Orkneys.

My suggested route would be Bergen to Lerwick (shortest sea route) and then south, and Aberdeen is not as bad as others have made out. I live there and have never had a problem with berthing there - but don't expect showers, heads or shore power. It has the advantages of a large city and shops at a reasonable distance.

I will be going from Denmark north to Trondheim and then south to Lossiemouth next summer, leaving Denmark in June and hoping to arrive back in UK in August. Please let me know how you get on.

Fair winds and following seas



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[wayneA]

Thanks for the post Ian.

Had not really considered the Shetlands, but this maybe a good option. It might even be better with a good forecast to do Ålesund to Lerwick (about 350nm) - what do you think? Don't know the Shetlands (or that part of the North Sea) what should I expect? h00 has suggested then dropping south to Lossiemouth, which sounds like a good idea.

Cheers

Wayne


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[Viking]

Hi
Four or five yachts from our yacht club here in Ålesund have crossed this year to Shetlands (Lerwick). Two were only 26ft. I think youll find the distrance is nearer 250NM. It takes about 42 to 48 hrs depending on wind direct and strenght of course. All reported no problems. Im sure you can find a reasonable two day weather window.
One word of advise - Check the charts you use for GPS datum changes. Norwegian 'Båtsportkarts' you mentioned use European Datum (ED50). We had a couple of guys over here wondering why their chart-plotters showned them in the local supermarket car park and not in their berthes.
Charts If your picking the boat up in Levanger youll need the 'Hovedkartserien' (cheaper then 'Båtsportkarts') Chart numbers 131, 130, 39, 38, 37.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Beware...

...of Warriors coming from Norway. Horny helmets, rape and pillage are on the menu.

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[wayneA]

Re: Beware...

To be honest, I was hoping for a much quiter passage than that... ;-)

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[Viking]

Re:Trondheim - local advise

Hi again
There is a english guy who comes on this forum living and sailing in Trondhiem. Sorry cant remember his name and he maybe on his Hols so thats why he may not have responsed to this Post. But if you E mail / website his yacht club they may help. - www.trondheim-seilforening.no.
Equipment etc are abit more expensive over here (VAT 24%) and there isnt the volume of sales and competition as in the UK.
Ps Im going to the chart shop today I'll check out the charts.

 

[wayneA]

Re:Trondheim - local advise

Many Thanks for the info Viking.

Been having trouble getting a surveyor, have sorted it now but is being done much later than originally agreed. So my window for doing this is getting very tight, as mentioned in previous post we have to be back at work early September! Having a get together with the crew to see if it’s do-able, especially as there will be work to do on the boat and all the paperwork needs sorting first. All this info is making it a lot easier to assess, so is much appreciated.

Are charts easily acquired in Norway as I won’t have time to order them in the UK, if we go ahead.

Got to admit it – looking more off than on at the moment :-(

Cheers

Wayne


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[Viking]

Re:Trondheim - local advise

Hi
Charts are not a problem. Most of the bigger bookshop handle them. Ive been checking out charts to get you to the Båtsportkartseriens ie Levanger to Smøla. Most of the trip would be pilotage with few navigation probelms. So if you were doing it in daylight you could get away with just one large scale chart number 309.
Again some arrangement could be made between you and the owner to borrow his charts, were they could be posted back from Ålesund for example. However, first see if you're getting the boat. We maybe put the 'charts before the boat' so to speak.
Good Luck!

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[Rowana]

Wayne,
I've sent you a PM

Jim

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