Rope through hawsepipe

[Slow_boat]

How do you feed a rope anchor cable through a hawsepipe?

A basic question, I know, and I must have done it plenty of times but damned if I can remember.

I want to add a rope cable to the 25m if chain on board.

 

[Seajet]

The easy answer would be an accesible anchor chain locker and someone there to flake the warp down; otherwise if solo, secure the anchor and flake the warp on the fore or side deck, then stow it properly from below pronto before it goes over the side and round the prop ?!

I use 4 metres of heavy chain then 30 metres of warp, into a reasonably big anchor locker under the foredeck; On weighing anchor one has to carefully flake down the chain & warp as it comes up, so as to be ready for quickly deploying next time.

 

[Eyore]

Dunno........................I have 35 fathoms of chain.

 

[Slow_boat]

I was spoiled by having an anchor locker with lid on my last boat. The one before that had a hawsepipe but I can't remember how I did it.
Last season I had 70m of chain but was going round bows down, so I chopped it to 40m! I never used it all and it would be a sod to pull in without a powered windlass, which I don't really want to fit anyway. Hence the wish for a rope cable to add to the other 25m length of chain that I have.
But how to get it to feed down the hawsehole?

 

[DJE]

Hawsepipe (10) or Spurling Pipe (11) ??

I would have thought passing rope through the hawsepipe would be easy.

 

[Slow_boat]

I didn't know I had a spurling pipe but it appears I do!

 

[lustyd]

I didn't know I had a spurling pipe but it appears I do!

You'd be amazed how many people get caught out by the pedants on here for this one Personally I think it's OK to call it a hawse pipe because that's what 99% of boaters call it these days so the actual definition is irrelevant in this instance.

 

[VicS]

You'd be amazed how many people get caught out by the pedants on here for this one Personally I think it's OK to call it a hawse pipe because that's what 99% of boaters call it these days so the actual definition is irrelevant in this instance.

A hawse pipe is as illustrated above the pipe through the bulwark or side of the vessel for a hawser or the anchor chain.
I am sure that has been posted on here before.

The name "spurling pipe" is not commonly known, if indeed the OP does have a spurling pipe. I would tend to call it a chain pipe or possibly a "navel" pipe if referring to the common deck fitting found on most small boats

 

[lustyd]

A hawse pipe is as illustrated above the pipe through the bulwark or side of the vessel for a hawser or the anchor chain.
I am sure that has been posted on here before.

The name "spurling pipe" is not commonly known, if indeed the OP does have a spurling pipe. I would tend to call it a chain pipe or possibly a "navel" pipe if referring to the common deck fitting found on most small boats

I agree what it technically is, I was just pointing out that if almost 100% of boating people would point at the spurling pipe if you asked them what a Hawse pipe was then that is the name for that item whether technically correct or not. Language evolves all the time, if it didn't then Angry Birds would be referred to as an application on a personal digital assistant, downloaded over the information superhighway rather than an app on a smartphone which is connected to the web. Nobody gets shouted at in a pub for saying app, and in fact nobody gets shouted at in a marina for saying hawse pipe but for some reason the Internet brings something out in people that makes them correct others

 

[mjcoon]

How do you feed a rope anchor cable through a hawsepipe?

A basic question, I know, and I must have done it plenty of times but damned if I can remember.

I want to add a rope cable to the 25m if chain on board.

How easy or difficult must depend on the geometry (rather than the terminology!).

E.g. can the shackle connecting the chain and rope be fed down the pipe, together of course with a bit of both? If so, and the weight carries the rope down into the locker, can it then be pulled through from below?

If answers are "no" I do not see how it can be done...

Mike.

 

[DJE]

I agree what it technically is, I was just pointing out that if almost 100% of boating people would point at the spurling pipe if you asked them what a Hawse pipe was then that is the name for that item.....

Ok I admit to being a pedant on here at times and "Spurling Pipe" was a bit of a wind up but I can't see where you get your "almost 100%" from. A hawse pipe to me is the pipe from deck to outside of bow where the anchor is stored. Sometimes seen on bigger mororboats not just on ships. The other one I've only ever heard called a chain pipe on a yacht.

 

[SteveSarabande]

I have this problem, stuffing the kinked 3 strand nylon down the hole is a real pain. I sail singlehanded so no chance to go below to pull it through.

I don't really see a solution, luckily I have 24m of chain so most times I have time to stuff it down while still being anchored just with a shorter scope

 

[lustyd]

Ok I admit to being a pedant on here at times and "Spurling Pipe" was a bit of a wind up but I can't see where you get your "almost 100%" from. A hawse pipe to me is the pipe from deck to outside of bow where the anchor is stored. Sometimes seen on bigger mororboats not just on ships. The other one I've only ever heard called a chain pipe on a yacht.

You understood what the OP meant, everyone else knew what they meant. As I said, the average yachty would point at whatever pipe the chain goes down when you ask for the hawse pipe. Chandlers would probably show you the curved pipe if you asked for a hawse pipe and ask if that's what you meant. I'm not saying everyone else is right, I'm just saying we're a long way past them being wrong.

 

[lustyd]

I have this problem, stuffing the kinked 3 strand nylon down the hole is a real pain. I sail singlehanded so no chance to go below to pull it through.

I don't really see a solution, luckily I have 24m of chain so most times I have time to stuff it down while still being anchored just with a shorter scope

Try multi plait, that's what it's for as it stops the kinking and falls flat below the hole. I admit mine can be a bit of a pain but on the whole it works fine.

 

[theoldsalt]

You'd be amazed how many people get caught out by the pedants on here for this one Personally I think it's OK to call it a hawse pipe because that's what 99% of boaters call it these days so the actual definition is irrelevant in this instance.

Good god, you sound just like a woman! I may not have said it correctly but "You know what I mean".

Just because that is what most boaties call it is no reason to perpetuate the error. Education is a wonderful thing.

 

[SteveSarabande]

Try multi plait, that's what it's for as it stops the kinking and falls flat below the hole. I admit mine can be a bit of a pain but on the whole it works fine.

Mmmm, if I anchored a lot I think I might have done that, but wasting 50m of 3-strand nylon is a pain

 

[lustyd]

Good god, you sound just like a woman! I may not have said it correctly but "You know what I mean".

Just because that is what most boaties call it is no reason to perpetuate the error. Education is a wonderful thing.

And I was educating you on how language evolves. You don't seem receptive to that though so you'll probably have a rough time of it with the coming decline of the apostrophe...

 

[DJE]

You understood what the OP meant, everyone else knew what they meant. As I said, the average yachty would point at whatever pipe the chain goes down when you ask for the hawse pipe. Chandlers would probably show you the curved pipe if you asked for a hawse pipe and ask if that's what you meant. I'm not saying everyone else is right, I'm just saying we're a long way past them being wrong.

No I was genuinely confused on first reading. And as for chandlers see here:

http://www.deepblueyachtsupply.co.uk/deck-hardware/hawse-pipe

I don't think the language has changed quite as completely as you seem to think.

 

[SteveSarabande]

No I was genuinely confused on first reading. And as for chandlers see here:

http://www.deepblueyachtsupply.co.uk/deck-hardware/hawse-pipe

I don't think the language has changed quite as completely as you seem to think.

Link doesn't work for me

 

[NormanS]

OK, I'm a pedant, but I have to say that I find it quite sad that some people are quite happy deliberately using technical seamanship terms wrongly. I consider seamanship to be a form of applied safety management. A lot of it is simple, like always stowing the boathook in the same place, so that if it's needed in a hurry on a dark night, you can immediately put your hand on it. Reducing confusion is also seamanship. If potential confusion can be reduced by the correct use of terminology, why not use it? You don't say "Pass me the thingummyjig", or maybe you do