Rope through hawsepipe

[theoldsalt]

And I was educating you on how language evolves. You don't seem receptive to that though so you'll probably have a rough time of it with the coming decline of the apostrophe...

So if you wish to call the hole in the deck to a chain locker as the hawspipe. What do you now want to call the hole through the side of a vessel through which the anchor chain passes? Surely it must have a different name to avoid confusion. Or do you like perpetuating confusion?

 

[lustyd]

OK, I'm a pedant, but I have to say that I find it quite sad that some people are quite happy deliberately using technical seamanship terms wrongly. I consider seamanship to be a form of applied safety management. A lot of it is simple, like always stowing the boathook in the same place, so that if it's needed in a hurry on a dark night, you can immediately put your hand on it. Reducing confusion is also seamanship. If potential confusion can be reduced by the correct use of terminology, why not use it? You don't say "Pass me the thingummyjig", or maybe you do

I'm not using it wrongly, I'm just saying it's not helpful to berate those who use it when almost everyone understands their meaning. If someone said "turn left to avoid that ship" I'd hope my reaction would be to turn to port rather than stand there explaining their error and why being specific is so important.

 

[lustyd]

So if you wish to call the hole in the deck to a chain locker as the hawspipe. What do you now want to call the hole through the side of a vessel through which the anchor chain passes? Surely it must have a different name to avoid confusion. Or do you like perpetuating confusion?

As is often said on these forums, it's rare to have both on a leisure vessel so confusion would be unusual in those who do not delight in pointing out the mistakes of others.

 

[mjcoon]

I have this problem, stuffing the kinked 3 strand nylon down the hole is a real pain. I sail singlehanded so no chance to go below to pull it through.

It didn't occur to me that this would be done more than once, and especially under way. Why does the rope ever get pulled all out of the locker?

Mike.

 

[lustyd]

It didn't occur to me that this would be done more than once, and especially under way. Why does the rope ever get pulled all out of the locker?

Mike.

every time you anchor there's a chance the rope is used. Because it's light it doesn't fall under its own weight so differing techniques are required. On mine I hold it straight at head height and let it fall down the tube, but my rope isn't very stiff so that may well fail with 3 strand.

 

[NormanS]

I'm not using it wrongly, I'm just saying it's not helpful to berate those who use it when almost everyone understands their meaning. If someone said "turn left to avoid that ship" I'd hope my reaction would be to turn to port rather than stand there explaining their error and why being specific is so important.

Well you are wrong, but I'm not "berating" you. I just feel that it's a pity that there are people who wilfully use the wrong names for things, and are almost proud of their errors. But thankfully, we are all different, and yes, in the appropriate context, I would know what you were talking about.

 

[SteveSarabande]

It didn't occur to me that this would be done more than once, and especially under way. Why does the rope ever get pulled all out of the locker?

Mike.

If I anchor in 5m at low tide in the Bristol Channel, by high water (10-12m tides) I could be in 17m of depth. With a scope of 4xDepth I need 68m of chain/warp, even more with the warp taken into account,

That is how it all comes out of the locker

 

[silver-fox]

If I anchor in 5m at low tide in the Bristol Channel, by high water (10-12m tides) I could be in 17m of depth. With a scope of 4xDepth I need 68m of chain/warp, even more with the warp taken into account,

That is how it all comes out of the locker

Good case for some Octoplait don't you think? -you don't want to be messing about stuffing obstinate 3 strand rope down ickle holes in tides like that :ambivalence:

 

[ripvan1]

How easy or difficult must depend on the geometry (rather than the terminology!).

E.g. can the shackle connecting the chain and rope be fed down the pipe, together of course with a bit of both? If so, and the weight carries the rope down into the locker, can it then be pulled through from below?

If answers are "no" I do not see how it can be done...

Mike.

Normally spliced together surely ?

 

[lustyd]

Well you are wrong, but I'm not "berating" you. I just feel that it's a pity that there are people who wilfully use the wrong names for things, and are almost proud of their errors. But thankfully, we are all different, and yes, in the appropriate context, I would know what you were talking about.

How am I wrong? I didn't use the word, I said on my first post it was not the correct term. All I said was that most people would understand it and that the term can be used acceptably in most circumstances and be understood.

 

[lustyd]

Normally spliced together surely ?

yes, but the splice is usually easy to push down the pipe when you get to it then return to dropping chain down in sections.

 

[mjcoon]

If I anchor in 5m at low tide in the Bristol Channel, by high water (10-12m tides) I could be in 17m of depth. With a scope of 4xDepth I need 68m of chain/warp, even more with the warp taken into account,

That is how it all comes out of the locker

So you need a spare metre or so on the bitter end of the warp to connect it to the locker. It is usual to do that to prevent losing the whole length overboard accidentally...

Mike.

 

[Slow_boat]

I also am single handed most of the time. Does octiplait fall through the pipe (whatever it's called) and into the chain locker under its own weight? If not, I could have an awful lot of chain piling up on deck.

Maybe keep the octiplait separate, to be shackled on when needed and off when the chain is shortened up?

There has to be a way to do this!

 

[ripvan1]

I imagine a weighted rope as used by netters at the bottom of their nets could incorporated, in fact I shall look at some tomorrow

 

[lenten]

the bow fairleads for chain seem to be quite angular around the edges----does anyone worry about rope chafing----regards lenten

 

[cryan]

To answer the OP, if your heaving in on the warping drum then I would flake the rope down on the deck until the anchor is secure then manually hand the rope down the hole. If you have the rope on a gypsy then probably fitting a spurling pipe with a larger gob will help.

As for terminology; If you called it the hole in the deck or the hole into the chain locker then in my eyes thats acceptable for conveying the message. However using the name of another part of the boat incorrectly just introduces confusion. I mean if we're just picking out nautical sounding terms and applying them willy nilly then why not call it the propeller or the heads? Misuse of terms is quite widespread in leisure boating but it can confuse when asking for info. Just to be a true pedant. To me if a warping drum/gypsy has a vertical axis then it is a capstan. Also boats don't ever go backwards or in reverse- its astern!

 

[Uricanejack]

To answer the OP, if your heaving in on the warping drum then I would flake the rope down on the deck until the anchor is secure then manually hand the rope down the hole. If you have the rope on a gypsy then probably fitting a spurling pipe with a larger gob will help.

As for terminology; If you called it the hole in the deck or the hole into the chain locker then in my eyes thats acceptable for conveying the message. However using the name of another part of the boat incorrectly just introduces confusion. I mean if we're just picking out nautical sounding terms and applying them willy nilly then why not call it the propeller or the heads? Misuse of terms is quite widespread in leisure boating but it can confuse when asking for info. Just to be a true pedant. To me if a warping drum/gypsy has a vertical axis then it is a capstan. Also boats don't ever go backwards or in reverse- its astern!

Well at least arguing about pipes or holes make's a change from arguing about which anchor is best

 

[SteveSarabande]

So you need a spare metre or so on the bitter end of the warp to connect it to the locker. It is usual to do that to prevent losing the whole length overboard accidentally...

Mike.

It doesn't all come out, the last bit is fixed inside the locker

 

[Bandit]

It appears I have been using the wrong terminology.

Spurling pipe from windlass and deck to chain locker

Hawse pipe from windlass and deck through the bow exiting below the prow to the ogen ( water)

I have a spurling pipe which in effect on my mobo is only an aperture, its where the chain gets jammed on hauling in on the windlass and a bow roller but no hawse pipe.

On ships it is common to run the fire pump to wash seawater down the hawse pipe to wash sand, weed and mud off the anchor chain when hauling in to stop all the crud being imported in to the chain locker.

You need a bitter end fixing to secure the inboard end of the chain or anchor line to the bulkhead, with chain I have 2.5m of 12mm rope spliced to the end of the chain so it will pass over the gypsy but not loose the chain unless you have to leave it if it is snagged and you can cut or untie the rope ( the bitter end) and bouy it or let it go.

 

[lustyd]

Finally I see the issue. On my boat I simply heave it all onto the deck and then lift section at a time to drop down the pipe. On a larger boat you want to use the windlass and so plopping it on deck is not an option. I'd imagine if you're about to leave anyway you could haul all of the rope on deck and then hold at the end of the chain long enough to drop the rope before windlassing the chain in. If you've been anchored for a while it's unlikely you'd drag with all the chain out in the time it takes to stow the rope assuming a reasonable chain quantity.