Roland Wilson Guilty!

redkat said:
The country wouldn't grind to a halt because of a few delays in cargo. I also suggest that its not "sailing" that is more important than large vessels but i do suggest the wider picture that for the sake of a week "people are more important than money and commercial enterprise" - Ok so wealthy companys might lose a few quid - big deal. Were we put on this earth to live or make money. I could understand youre argument if the country was desperate for food etc
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But it is different in the real world-Philosophy's like yours are great, but like many others are just so much pie in the sky.

I'm not suggesting that you are wrong-but come up with a sensible way of fixing the percieved problen and I'm all ears.................................
 
rotrax said:
But it is different in the real world-Philosophy's like yours are great, but like many others are just so much pie in the sky.

I'm not suggesting that you are wrong-but come up with a sensible way of fixing the percieved problen and I'm all ears.................................
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There's nothing Pie in the sky about making things happen. Its simple, stop the commercial shipping during Cowes races. It only becomes "pie in the sky" when powerful corporations with lots of money stand to lose cash and say it can't happen. It can - the government could say "you know what - let the public have some fun for a week after all we tax the hell out of their robot lives" :-)
 
redkat said:
There's nothing Pie in the sky about making things happen. Its simple, stop the commercial shipping during Cowes races. It only becomes "pie in the sky" when powerful corporations with lots of money stand to lose cash and say it can't happen. It can - the government could say "you know what - let the public have some fun for a week after all we tax the hell out of their robot lives" :-)
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I note your location is Sheffield ... have you sailed in the Solent? Have you raced in the Solent? Commercial & Yacht racing isn't an either or ...
 
redkat said:
There's nothing Pie in the sky about making things happen. Its simple, stop the commercial shipping during Cowes races. It only becomes "pie in the sky" when powerful corporations with lots of money stand to lose cash and say it can't happen. It can - the government could say "you know what - let the public have some fun for a week after all we tax the hell out of their robot lives" :-)
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Do you think the public would support your proposal?
 
redkat said:
No lol - i think the public see some Yachties like I do...load of old self righteous middle class farts who think they know everything :-)
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Are you an old self righteous middle class fart? Or one of the exceptions? :p

I think you have highlighted one of the problems. If you asked the public in Sheffield if they wanted a yachting regatta on the Solent or fresh bananas in Tesco I think they'd go bananas. :D
 
redkat said:
Whats my location got to do with anything *yawn* ? Its as simple as you want to make it.
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Because perhaps it's an indication as to your knowledge of the area?

Simple it is - there are already rules on how boats should behave ... RW didn't comply with those rules and got found guilty in court ... it's not a regular occurrence and not a problem.
 
redkat said:
There's nothing Pie in the sky about making things happen. Its simple, stop the commercial shipping during Cowes races. It only becomes "pie in the sky" when powerful corporations with lots of money stand to lose cash and say it can't happen. It can - the government could say "you know what - let the public have some fun for a week after all we tax the hell out of their robot lives" :-)
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Trouble with your premis of "Let the public have some fun for a week" is that Cowes week has little to do with the public.
I estimate that fewer people are involved as competitors, officials and spectators than those who attend a PL football match.
It would be enlightening to know these figures.

Lets face it, it is only since the America's Cup that the profile of sailing as a SPECTATOR sport has been raised-and there are no 55MPH 72 foot wing sail cats strutting their stuff there with the worlds TV in attendance.
Rich Yachties indulging themselves would be hard to defend against in a debate.
IMHO, of course.
 
A1Sailor said:
Are you an old self righteous middle class fart? Or one of the exceptions? :p

I think you have highlighted one of the problems. If you asked the public in Sheffield if they wanted a yachting regatta on the Solent or fresh bananas in Tesco I think they'd go bananas. :D
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:D I think ffyes would be sold out

My route into Yachting hasn't been an easy one, living inshore and not having Admiral Sir Edmund Pellew as my father lol - I come across those that think we lubbers have no right to go to sea, to which i just walk away from but i have to say that there are a lot of helpful, kind and loyal yachties who have helped me loads and for that I am extremely indebted and loyal
 
rotrax said:
So you think the sport of Sailing and should take precedence over the movement of ships which, since we no longer manufactuer as much as we used to, bring the essentials of modern life to these shores and take away the stuff we do make for valuable currency.

If the situation is looked at logicaly, sailing would be the one to suffer.

It is a very arrogant premis to suggest sailing is more important than the safe passage of large vessels who often have limited times and routes into and out of Harbours-and who's cargo's are far more valuable to the wellbeing of our country than the money spent at Cowes week.

The racing rules appear to accept this-competitors have to obey the colregs and local rules put in place by Harbour authorities.

IIRC some Fastnet crews-or crew-was sanctioned for not crossing a TSS correctly off Lands End.

The Status Quo appears to work-dont rock the boat............
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+1
 
redkat said:
The country wouldn't grind to a halt because of a few delays in cargo. I also suggest that its not "sailing" that is more important than large vessels but i do suggest the wider picture that for the sake of a week "people are more important than money and commercial enterprise" - Ok so wealthy companys might lose a few quid - big deal. Were we put on this earth to live or make money. I could understand youre argument if the country was desperate for food etc
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errr...rubbish (imho)
 
redkat said:
The country wouldn't grind to a halt because of a few delays in cargo. I also suggest that its not "sailing" that is more important than large vessels but i do suggest the wider picture that for the sake of a week "people are more important than money and commercial enterprise" - Ok so wealthy companys might lose a few quid - big deal. Were we put on this earth to live or make money. I could understand youre argument if the country was desperate for food etc
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why just Cowes week? why not Dartmouth too? why not every second weekend because racing happens all the time? Chichester Biarritz challenge start line, SORC solo Portland race weekend, Torbay week........
 
redkat said:
I realise i will get flamed for this, but I actually feel sorry for the guy. People make mistakes, nobody is perfect, although you wouldn't believe it listening to some "Jack Sparrows" that haven't possibly made any error of judgement calls in their lives. OK so it was a big error judgement but he won't be the first and he certainly won't be the last or perhaps only admirals that went to sea at 12 and are now 65 should be allowed to go yachting - as they couldn't possibly make any human mistakes
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I think you are missing the point, he very nearly killed not just himself but his whole crew, that is a trifle more than an 'error of judgement' it is closer to attempted manslaughter. Regrettably he chose to do it in a very public manner which ensured that he would be prosecuted. Then he claimed he was innocent at his trial and thus cost you and me a lot to stage the trial. Had he plead guilty he he would have got a minor fine and a slap on the wrist and it would have all been forgotten.

Yes we all make mistakes but rarely ones that kill people, the judge clearly though his not guilty plea was ill judged considering the evidence and clearly does not feel he has been unfairly treated and unlike you and me he heard all the evidence not just the bits some reporters could remember
 
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