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Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific
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Chris_Robb
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Sounds like thieves falling out. Grant used the info to get back at Bumbury. All bad. And quite a twist in the story.
smackdaddy
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Absolutely right. But as ridiculous as it all has been, it's been a hell of a soap opera. Nothing more entertaining than well-armed, misguided righteous indignation.
Letterman
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Neeves: I understand that you are a yachting journalist who may have initially broke the Rocna "story". If my information is correct, then I am aware that a key aspect of "verifying a source" is to go beyond what a particular party supplies as "evidence", and look for corroborating evidence.
I am assuming that you did this, as opposed to perhaps colluding with GNK in the first instance? I now have 59 independent sources of GNK's modus operandi over 20 plus years - I am wondering how your information regarding GNK might compare to mine?
In the journalistic field, when a reporter discovers that there are fatal errors in their original story, they print a retraction - I would encourage you and anyone else reading this thread to keep a very close eye on the mainstream media over the next few days and weeks, and to have a look at [removed] and then I will be interested to see if you do likewise regarding your "intel" on Rocna, reportedly supplied by GNK?
Naturally, if you claim to have other evidence independent from GNK, then I would encourage you to both cite your source, and provide proof of independent verification - because if GNK has led you and a number of other people down a longitudanal and twisted merry path on the Rocna story - a retraction is most certainly on the cards.
It is said that that the reason someone believes something (or someone) hinges on why they need to believe it (or them) - in my own investigation into GNK, not one of the 59 people I have talked to so far was told the truth by GNK - I am wondering what it is that would make you so special, that GNK would deviate from a lifetime of practiced dis-honesty, fraud, commercial sabotage, and deceit, and play straight with you - or anyone?
I am assuming that you did this, as opposed to perhaps colluding with GNK in the first instance? I now have 59 independent sources of GNK's modus operandi over 20 plus years - I am wondering how your information regarding GNK might compare to mine?
In the journalistic field, when a reporter discovers that there are fatal errors in their original story, they print a retraction - I would encourage you and anyone else reading this thread to keep a very close eye on the mainstream media over the next few days and weeks, and to have a look at [removed] and then I will be interested to see if you do likewise regarding your "intel" on Rocna, reportedly supplied by GNK?
Naturally, if you claim to have other evidence independent from GNK, then I would encourage you to both cite your source, and provide proof of independent verification - because if GNK has led you and a number of other people down a longitudanal and twisted merry path on the Rocna story - a retraction is most certainly on the cards.
It is said that that the reason someone believes something (or someone) hinges on why they need to believe it (or them) - in my own investigation into GNK, not one of the 59 people I have talked to so far was told the truth by GNK - I am wondering what it is that would make you so special, that GNK would deviate from a lifetime of practiced dis-honesty, fraud, commercial sabotage, and deceit, and play straight with you - or anyone?
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Rigger Mortice
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He has been very clear about his sources. Just read through his various postings.
Chris_Robb
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One point - in relation to the commercial sabotage, the fraud in the use of cheaper metal was already underway when he arrived there. I think he saw an opportunity. Perhaps Mr Bumbury was a deserving target? As I said, thieves falling out.
But I do hope he gets his just deserts......
Letterman
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One point - in relation to the commercial sabotage, the fraud in the use of cheaper metal was already underway when he arrived there.
What is the independent verified evidence of this claim? Please forgive me if I unilaterally dismiss any information sourced from GNK. I know that GNK has claimed this - but what is the source and the evidence to back this claim up? Popular opinion, myth, and marine industry "groupthink" won't cut it for me.
What is the independent verified evidence of this claim? Please forgive me if I unilaterally dismiss any information sourced from GNK. I know that GNK has claimed this - but what is the source and the evidence to back this claim up? Popular opinion, myth, and marine industry "groupthink" won't cut it for me.
Chris_Robb
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Perhaps it is time to open another point up again. As I have said before (and this came from Manson) It is very difficult to weld Bisalloy80 to cast steel, AND keep the quality control. Hense the change to mild steel which was easier to weld. We know thay had major quality control problems at the start. This was poo pood by Grant, but it is now apparent he possibly didn't know what he was talking about.
Letterman
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Rigger: Have the sources quoted by Neeves come on this forum and backed up their claims with independent evidence? It is one thing to post on a thread - quite another to go mainstream media on an issue in the absence of verification.
GNK is a masterful [removed] (I am one of his marks, so I know this first hand) - if GNK ([removed] ) has pulled a con on the entire marine industry regarding Rocna, the guy should be put up for an Academy Award - and then be sent to jail.
If anyone is interested, I am pulling together a meeting of the 59 people I have met who have been conned by GNK - maybe Neeves would like to come and have a chat to them and proffer a defence of the credibility of GNK? I am picking that if Neeves decides to come to the meeting, he will become number 60.
GNK is a masterful [removed] (I am one of his marks, so I know this first hand) - if GNK ([removed] ) has pulled a con on the entire marine industry regarding Rocna, the guy should be put up for an Academy Award - and then be sent to jail.
If anyone is interested, I am pulling together a meeting of the 59 people I have met who have been conned by GNK - maybe Neeves would like to come and have a chat to them and proffer a defence of the credibility of GNK? I am picking that if Neeves decides to come to the meeting, he will become number 60.
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Rigger Mortice
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To be honest I'm quite happy to accept what Neeves says but, as these things are obviously important to you, where is your independent verification ....?
Letterman
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By the way: where are you Grant? Come out from behind your white, heavy wooden door at [address removed by admin] (actually, it's 46B, but that's another story), and be sociable 
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Letterman
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Rigger: A great question, and a fair question - ask me again in about 72 hours - and please, hold Neeves to the same level of accountability that you are requesting of me, as opposed to simply taking his word for his claims - GNK relies heavily on people "taking his word" - but GNK's words are both empty and dangerous.
Rigger Mortice
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I have no intention of interrogating Neeves about his sources. He has always made it clear where he got information from. Sometimes it was from GK, very often it was from elsewhere. Where it has been possible he has verified things. It's good enough for me and a lot better then the information coming from either Rocna or CMP.
What boat do you sail?
What boat do you sail?
toad_oftoadhall
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toad_oftoadhall
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/celeste-anstiss/news/article.cfm?a_id=643&objectid=10778843
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/kinggrant.htm
Good enough for me, unless some of it is in doubt or under dispute?
...and Grant has admitted the safe-nz link is true. (When Banbury quoted the safe-nz link the thread was toasted.)
Rigger Mortice
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Perhaps you should wait for the 72hrs that the Post Man has said he needs before he is able to verify his claims which seem to go beyond any of the links which we have all seen before.
Danny Jo
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Letterman, may I suggest that you tell us what your line of business is, by putting something in your profile, for example.
I am, incidentally, the sixth person to have checked your profile at the time of writing. Among the other five listed is Grant King.
Twister_Ken
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Neeves claims to have shipping documents, not provided by Grant King. His reputation as a journo is on the line. I'm sure he'd not go public if he weren't certain of their validity. As he says elsewhere, he has pre-Grant King evidence, Grant King evidence, and post-Grant King evidence. There's also the convincing matter of independent tests by Rocna owners, and the maybe slightly less convincing evidence of tests by Rocna competitors. Undeniably, there were also bent Rocnas, unless Grant King is also a Photoshop wizard.
I can understand perfectly that you have an axe to grind with Grant King, but there is a degree of separation between what you allege you've unfortunately suffered, and the question of the steel used in Rocna anchors.
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Rigger Mortice
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Danny Jo,
I assumed he was the Steve Taylor who claimed to have been fleeced out of $23k. Not a nice thing to go through but I'm not sure what he is able to contribute on a boating site.
I assumed he was the Steve Taylor who claimed to have been fleeced out of $23k. Not a nice thing to go through but I'm not sure what he is able to contribute on a boating site.
Letterman
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My profile would be much easier to find here: www.24-7.org.nz
Rigger: It sounds like you are trepiditious about what you might find out if you were to hold Neeves to the same level of accountability that you are asking of me - understandable if you have been a GNK cheerleader I guess.
It was existential philosopher David Hume who opined that "a wise man proportions his beliefs in accordance with the evidence"
The arguement "Neeves (or GNK) said it, so I believe it, and Neeves doesn't have to prove it" is utterly inconsistent with "Taylor said it, and I don't believe it, and he has to prove what he says". I come back to my first premise: what is it about GNK that is so utterly credible, and what is it about Bambury that is so utterly not credible?
Yes, I would appreciate the 72 hour window, and this request will make sense in..............oh, about 72 hours.
Rigger: It sounds like you are trepiditious about what you might find out if you were to hold Neeves to the same level of accountability that you are asking of me - understandable if you have been a GNK cheerleader I guess.
It was existential philosopher David Hume who opined that "a wise man proportions his beliefs in accordance with the evidence"
The arguement "Neeves (or GNK) said it, so I believe it, and Neeves doesn't have to prove it" is utterly inconsistent with "Taylor said it, and I don't believe it, and he has to prove what he says". I come back to my first premise: what is it about GNK that is so utterly credible, and what is it about Bambury that is so utterly not credible?
Yes, I would appreciate the 72 hour window, and this request will make sense in..............oh, about 72 hours.