Renewing standing rigging

[Kelpie]

We were part way through a refit on our old boat when we ended up buying a new one.
The old boat is consequently in need of some fettling before there is any point in putting her on the market. Probably the most important job is to replace the standing rigging.
I had already bought new bottlescrews and cones for the swageless fittings, which are as yet unopened from their packets. All I have left to do is buy the wire itself, and assemble everything.
Two questions:
1) is there some sort of certification that wire should comply with? I will want to show proof of this to whoever buys the boat off me, and for insurance. All of the available wire seems to be the same MBL despite significant differences in price.
2) should I just stick the old rigging back on, include the new bottlescrews with the sale, and tell the purchaser to make their own decision? That way they can use a professional rigger if they aren't confident doing it themselves. But it does mean I wouldn't have ' brand new standing rigging' in the advert.

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

The latter option would be my preference. Let the new owner make his own decisions. Apply your energy to the new boat and enjoy it, and get the old one out of your life for the best possible price you can get while not making any further improvements.
I made the mistake of continuing to fettle the old boat for 18 months while trying to get my asking price.

 

[scruff]

I'd go for the latter. I don't mean to cause offence, but if I were to look at a boat with "New standing rigging" that the previous owner completed as a DIY job just before sale (ie untested) then I would personally treat it with suspicion and factor in the cost of replacement to the price. I don't think it would add any value, sorry.

 

[pcatterall]

We were part way through a refit on our old boat when we ended up buying a new one.
The old boat is consequently in need of some fettling before there is any point in putting her on the market. Probably the most important job is to replace the standing rigging.
I had already bought new bottlescrews and cones for the swageless fittings, which are as yet unopened from their packets. All I have left to do is buy the wire itself, and assemble everything.
Two questions:
1) is there some sort of certification that wire should comply with? I will want to show proof of this to whoever buys the boat off me, and for insurance. All of the available wire seems to be the same MBL despite significant differences in price.
2) should I just stick the old rigging back on, include the new bottlescrews with the sale, and tell the purchaser to make their own decision? That way they can use a professional rigger if they aren't confident doing it themselves. But it does mean I wouldn't have ' brand new standing rigging' in the advert.

If you went for the former ( and I appreciate the suggestions that you don't!) then you could just buy from Jimmy Green and get a receipt which should satisfy most folk regarding Quality?

 

[Kelpie]

If you went for the former ( and I appreciate the suggestions that you don't!) then you could just buy from Jimmy Green and get a receipt which should satisfy most folk regarding Quality?

That's where the rigging screws came from.
Second option has a lot to recommend it! I just need the boat to be in safe working order to be sailed away.

 

[zambant]

Get rid of the old one with the minimum amount of work on your part.
Enjoy the new one....
Fair winds

 

[Refueler]

Absolutely ... for me second option.

Just a question - What makes you consider replacing the rigging anyway ?

 

[RJJ]

I would leave the old for now and make part of your offer as "willing to discuss". That helps you keep an eye-catching headline price, and lets the buyer decide if he wants dyform etc and then who he trusts to do the work.

For mer personally, I would welcome the transparency at the outset that "this needs replacing".

 

[Kelpie]

It is of unknown age and the bottlescrews look like antiques (they're green- not sure if they were ever chromed). We had plans for some serious sailing, but decided we needed a bigger boat.

 

[srm]

Sounds as if the old boat is a bit of a "fixer upper". Be open about the rig being of unknown age and throw in the new rigging components along with any other spares / replacement parts to encourage potential buyers.
Also, be aware that as the seller you are probably over valuing the boat - most do. The advice I had from a broker the last time I sold was 'do not turn down an offer'. He had a boat for sale where the owner had turned down an offer over a year previously, and recently had reduced the asking price to the level of the rejected offer. Same broker admitted to expecting offers around 10% below asking price.

 

[Refueler]

I would just be upfront and say - if there is no damage or reason to suspect damage :

I have no idea of rigging age - I considered replacing it and bought this ... please look and see what you think ...

My view on it ....
It all of course depends on type of boat - what its life has been like .... hard pressed or casual weekender etc. I know plenty boats like mine that still have 1980's .. 1990's rigging and all's fine.
But there are other boats I know that rigging needs changing at reasonable intervals - I even know boats that change each start of season - but they are race jobs.

There are a lot of people who are convinced by the old recc'd 10 year requirement that some Insurance co's required - this of course became par for the course for Surveyors to write ... I notice that quite a few Insurance Co's have dropped that clause.
I do not say its wrong - but to paint every boat with it - is wrong in my opinion. BUT safety will come first and if an owner wishes to have peace of mind - replace.

 

[Refueler]

Sounds as if the old boat is a bit of a "fixer upper". Be open about the rig being of unknown age and throw in the new rigging components along with any other spares / replacement parts to encourage potential buyers.
Also, be aware that as the seller you are probably over valuing the boat - most do. The advice I had from a broker the last time I sold was 'do not turn down an offer'. He had a boat for sale where the owner had turned down an offer over a year previously, and recently had reduced the asking price to the level of the rejected offer. Same broker admitted to expecting offers around 10% below asking price.

Who pays asking price usually ?