Refitting job #1

[Bouba]

Ok, understood. There goes the edges idea!

Sorry V, it'll take me a while for the report, I'm afraid.
All the pics I took during the inspection and seatrial were essentially meant as memos for things to do, and they are useless for a decent "Let me introduce my new pride and joy" thread.
I'll be back onboard in 10 days or so, and will try to take some better pics, but also some refitting jobs will start soon, hopefully...
And after all, we are still waiting the same sort of thread for another new entry in the asylum - i.e. a stunning Aquastar 74!

Meanwhile, I can post the following bit of virtual refitting that I just finished, as an appetizer.
Wadduthink, guys?

That was easy. I thought everybody said it was a hard job

If the forum gets to vote which they prefer, left or right, will you abide by the democratic decision?

 

[vas]

not bad P, not bad!

btw, considering the colour of this antislip, I wouldn't dare go more than one or two "clicks" from white, I mean it MUST be very white, else you're buggered!

cheers

V.

 

[vas]

That was easy. I thought everybody said it was a hard job

If the forum gets to vote which they prefer, left or right, will you abide by the democratic decision?

what's a democratic decision?

 

[Bouba]

what's a democratic decision?

You know, like how Mrs May became PM

 

[stillwaters]

what's a democratic decision?

It's what's decided is best for you in Brussels.

You know, like how Mrs May became PM

But at least SHE was elected in the first place.:encouragement:

 

[MapisM]

If the forum gets to vote which they prefer, left or right, will you abide by the democratic decision?

Of course.
If the overwhelming consensus would be for solid 12mm Burmese Teak, and the forum would pay both the refitting and the future maintenance, how could I raise any objections...?

 

[MapisM]

btw, considering the colour of this antislip, I wouldn't dare go more than one or two "clicks" from white, I mean it MUST be very white, else you're buggered!

Sorry V, I'm not sure to get what you mean. Are you suggesting to make the antiskid paint a tad darker than the gelcoat, a tad lighter, or what?
I appreciate that it's difficult to understand from the pics, but fwiw the original gelcoat is not white - more like a light beige, similar to Ferretti's shade, if not a tiny bit darker.
And it's all the same tone everywhere, so I was thinking (aside from any impression you might get from the photoshopped pic) to make it as close as possible to the rest of the gelcoat...

 

[vas]

Sorry V, I'm not sure to get what you mean. Are you suggesting to make the antiskid paint a tad darker than the gelcoat, a tad lighter, or what?
I appreciate that it's difficult to understand from the pics, but fwiw the original gelcoat is not white - more like a light beige, similar to Ferretti's shade, if not a tiny bit darker.
And it's all the same tone everywhere, so I was thinking (aside from any impression you might get from the photoshopped pic) to make it as close as possible to the rest of the gelcoat...

hm,

OK, what I'm trying to say is NOT to make it dark as you'll burn your feet, simple as that (but you already know that...).
Now if original gelcoat is Ferretti beige like, then I'd stick to that, or play on the same darkness but remove the yellow and generally desaturate it so that it wont stain that easily.
Wouldn't go white for contrast, wouldn't go darker for heat on bare feet.
Would like it slightly different to the actual gelcoat all around, but couldn't easily from this one pic point out how...

Actually to be fair, there's v.little teak on your bows, doubt it will look odd no matter what material/colour combo you use (wouldn't choose mustard or pink hues though )

V.

 

[MapisM]

if original gelcoat is Ferretti beige like, then I'd stick to that, or play on the same darkness but remove the yellow and generally desaturate it so that it wont stain that easily.
Wouldn't go white for contrast, wouldn't go darker for heat on bare feet.
Would like it slightly different to the actual gelcoat all around, but couldn't easily from this one pic point out how...

Spot on.
The gelcoat is the same throughout the whole boat, with no "two tones" design anywhere (as opposed, for instance, to some Technemas and a few other boats).
But knowing that it will be impossible to match perfectly the gelcoat color, I was thinking to go for a slightly different but very perceivable tone/colour (like the light grey above white gelcoat in the previous Nordhavn pic).
Probably a tad darker beige might look nicer than a lighter one, or also a tad more yellowish, like in the following other example (ORY).
Why do you think that a slightly more saturated yellow would be more prone to stain?
Anyway, probably the best option is just to match as much as possible the gelcoat...

 

[vas]

Spot on.
The gelcoat is the same throughout the whole boat, with no "two tones" design anywhere (as opposed, for instance, to some Technemas and a few other boats).
But knowing that it will be impossible to match perfectly the gelcoat color, I was thinking to go for a slightly different but very perceivable tone/colour (like the light grey above white gelcoat in the previous Nordhavn pic).
Probably a tad darker beige might look nicer than a lighter one, or also a tad more yellowish, like in the following other example (ORY).
Why do you think that a slightly more saturated yellow would be more prone to stain?
Anyway, probably the best option is just to match as much as possible the gelcoat...

P,

looks like this discussion is going to go around in circles until a few proper pics are available...
I cannot judge the colour of your gelcoat, if however it's as dark as a Ferretti (OK, I consider Ferrettis' gel colour rather dark and distinct!) then I'd desaturate and go grey for the deck. Sort of think the ORY pic you posted above with the colours inverted, deck the gel grey and hull the yellowish of the ORY antislip
Now if I'm miles away, it's a no goer.
My next door neighbour with a nice old westerly redid his antislip patches around the coachroof and aft deck and it was a oddball light blue thing on a dark green hull, surprisingly it looked good.

IMHO there must be a clear differentiation between the two colours unless you do a perfect match (which you wont!)

Further this discussion maybe even more pointless if it proves that the kiwigrip you decide to fit for example is only available in 4 or 5 hues... I'd be very cautious of someone saying that you can fit whatever dyes you want to get the right match (in case of incompatibility that may cause flaking or whatever mess you don't want to have)

cheers

V.

 

[MapisM]

Btw, talking of companion colors...
While looking in my photobucket files for the previous bow, I came across another fine example of light cream/white matching, which I already posted a few years ago in this thread.
If this was worth a prime spot in Saatchi Gallery, it should be feasible to have a decent result on the DP, all considered...

 

[MapisM]

Now if I'm miles away, it's a no goer.

No, you aren't. And I see what you mean.
I can't say why really, but for some reason I tend to think that the "inverted" solution (with the antiskid surface lighter than the surrounding gelcoat) would look odd.
Maybe it's just because in all the boats I've seen with this type of deck finishing, the antiskid patches were always darker...
It's a pity that the only way to get a proper impression is by doing the actual job!

 

[longjohnsilver]

Ok, understood. There goes the edges idea!

Sorry V, it'll take me a while for the report, I'm afraid.
All the pics I took during the inspection and seatrial were essentially meant as memos for things to do, and they are useless for a decent "Let me introduce my new pride and joy" thread.
I'll be back onboard in 10 days or so, and will try to take some better pics, but also some refitting jobs will start soon, hopefully...
And after all, we are still waiting the same sort of thread for another new entry in the asylum - i.e. a stunning Aquastar 74!

Meanwhile, I can post the following bit of virtual refitting that I just finished, as an appetizer.
Wadduthink, guys?

Oh dear, I hate to say it, but she does look pretty good without the teak

 

[stillwaters]

P, I seem to think that you'd said earlier that your SWMBO would make the eventual decisions anyway, and if she's even half as territorial about 'her' decks as mine is (until they need cleaning, that is), you may as well let her have the final say on the colour. Still no guarantee it would get you off the hook if it turned out wrong mind you :nonchalance:

Personally, I'd probably go darker though. For one thing, it will be difficult to get an exact match to the grp, especially as the light reflection will differ on the two surfaces, but also, no matter whatever your cleaning regime is, the anti-slip is likely to darken a little more than the surrounding grp over time.

 

[vas]

ah, and P.,
you got to get new hinges and locks for the bow lockers and hatches as they'll have to be 10-12mm lower. That may be a bit of a problem trying to also match existing holes on deck
you also got to check where the water scuppers are and if they are low enough for the new level of your deck of you'll end up with a shallow loooong pool up there. Kidding, front usually leaves from the bow roller, but dunno what happens at the aft end...


ah, and you need a new anchor as this is too old, too small and oldschool

now let the anchor fun begin!

V.

 

[MapisM]

Oh dear, I hate to say it, but she does look pretty good without the teak

LOL, doesn't she?
You know what, I actually think that only wooden boats look weird/cheap with glassed deck.
On a plastic boat, I'm not saying it's the opposite, but almost...

 

[MapisM]

you may as well let her have the final say on the colour

Of course I will, what else could I do?
Otoh, when I tell her that something was suggested here in the asylum, she tends to care more than if it's just my view...

 

[MapisM]

you got to get new hinges and....

That was the first thing I discussed with Mr.DP, V.
It should be feasible to lower all the hardware (hinges, locks, cleats, and fuel/water caps) by 10mm or whatever.

Oh, and wasting money for the ground tackle, that's one thing which is not going to happen.
The boat already managed to stay afloat for quite a long time, with that anchor and no ancam, so that'll be fine for me too!

 

[vas]

That was the first thing I discussed with Mr.DP, V.
It should be feasible to lower all the hardware (hinges, locks, cleats, and fuel/water caps) by 10mm or whatever.

interesting!
how thick is the grp on the deck then? It looks like the hinges are bolted onto the grp and are thick enough to level up to the teak. so going down 10mm say, means there should be enough material to bolt onto, or you need to fabricate ss plates that will be glued(?) under the deck and will be used to reinforce and bolt the hinges on to..

Oh, and wasting money for the ground tackle, that's one thing which is not going to happen.
The boat already managed to stay afloat for quite a long time, with that anchor and no ancam, so that'll be fine for me too!

comeon, you're not game!

delta is so old nowadays, you really disappoint me

V

 

[MapisM]

Well, cleats already have backplates of course, for the rest the GRP thickness should be enough. :encouragement: