GTom
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You answered the question: the income generation produces tax revenue streams, which likely cover the civilian marine spending of the country.
Red Diesel - UK Government loses.
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You answered the question: the income generation produces tax revenue streams, which likely cover the civilian marine spending of the country.
Daydream believer
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Might be for 10 lots of marina VAT contributions but certainly not for one
GTom
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You're right, I put it wrong: 1 buoy costs around the same as a full berth price, incl VAT. The berth price generates the following revenues: VAT, corporate tax of the marina owner, income tax and social contributions of the marina workers, Crown Estate rental. All-in-all, probably less than 10 boats (30'!) will cover a buoy worth of gov't spending. True though, only a fraction of the boats are based in marinas, many don't generate more than 50£ tax revenue a year...
Daydream believer
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I researched that some years ago when the Belgians first started issuing fines. As we know the Govt can test fuel in vehicles at the roadside & visit depots, farms etc. ( they visited my yard several times over the years)
I tried some test laboratories as well as writing to the RYA to see if they could source a test kit for boat users. The RYA were far from helpful.
All the test centres said that the cost of a kit would be exorbitant; possibly because they were looking at it in a more scientific way. I really wanted just a cheap disposable kit. Bit like the breath test kit for alcohol that one could buy to test one's own breath prior to driving.
In the end it became obvious that such a thing would not be available in small numbers
GTom
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Wonderful, the gov't should invest 100k£/measurement team (instrument+vehicle), pay the officers salary to "protect" an income which is at best a few million for the entire boating community. Thx EU...
lpdsn
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Interestingly, the ISA published a map today of where you can get diesel around the irish coast after this ruling. Nothing except green at a quayside pump from Kinsale onwards. Bantry is listed as possibly having white available in cans. That's it for the west coast.
[70521]
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Utter tosh. I filled the car up with white diesel in Mallaig at the weekend.
[70521]
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I always use Soltron. I am convinced it is the length of time the fuel was in the tank that caused the problem.
NormanS
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Well, obviously we can get white diesel at a garage forecourt.
for piddling amounts of fuel, it is feasible to buy it at a roadside outlet, in containers. Not so handy if you want a quantity.I don't suppose that your car was in the water, alongside the pontoons at Mallaig.
Minchsailor
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Let me know how you get on getting a 9T boat. drawing 1.9m, into the garage forecourt at Mallaig.
lw395
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Maybe some enterprising local with a horse and cart, plus a few jerry cans will seize the business opportunity?
Otherwise, if you want to sail off the beaten track, you're actually going to have to sail, or reconcile your tank capacity with your passage plans.
There was a time when sailing yachts had small, very economical engines which were only there to shove them along at low speed in a flat calm. A 40ft yacht will go a long way on 10 gallons in a flat calm at 10HP, not very far charging about with 50HP.
You could of course take the view that the Celtic Fringe is beyond what the revenue men can be bothered with.
[70521]
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Well, obviously we can get white diesel at a garage forecourt.
I don't suppose that your car was in the water, alongside the pontoons at Mallaig.
My average use of fuel over the last five years has been 40l per annum. I'd be interested to hear how much fuel other owners use.
Perhaps it is because we don't have a heater onboard?
I am off round the British Isles, hopefully up to The Faroes and round the west coast of Eire in a few years time, it will be interesting to see what the consumption on that trip will be.
chrishscorp
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Normally 40 to 50 litres but went down the west country for a couple of weeks this year and there was not a lot of wind so probably used another 35 litres this year
CLB
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I've used around 2,500 litres this year. I know this is a yachtie forum, but the problem does not only affects yachts.
maby
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It is certainly a problem that affects all of us, but it is also probably the case that it affects yachties and mobos in different ways. Those of us with tall masts tend to use relatively little fuel but aspire to going long distances - hence reasonably happy with switching to white diesel. Mobos tend to burn a lot of fuel but go shorter distances - few of the mobo owners we know ever cross the channel. They want to continue to reduce their fuel bill and are, on average, less worried about having their tanks dipped in Belgium or France.
LBRodders
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CLB
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I go across every year, sometimes twice and a large majority of others I know do to. I guess though, if your statement is true, it shows that we want different things. Yachties will happily go over to white as they don't use a lot and want to go unhindered into EU territory, whereas moboers will want to keep red as they use a lot and mostly stay in the UK. Personally I would rather keep red and give the continent a miss. I would miss it, but not enough to choose to go over to white.
NormanS
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Our boat should probably be classed as a Motorsailer. We use the best part of 400 litres per year, but we do use the boat a lot. With large tanks, we generally fill up annually.
LBRodders
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Daydream believer
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Either that has a lifting keel or it is NOT 1.9 draft though. So it does not count.
& the mast is not up :ambivalence: