Red Diesel the same price as regular?

Beneteau381 said:
In the olden days of shortages, people used paraffin/kerosene/ 28 sec heating oil as fuel with the addition of 1/2 pint of straight sae30 engine oil per gallon. Any diesel engine will run on any moderately viscous oil, the question is whether the lube value of it is good enough as you say. The instruction booklets for old Gardner engines camewith instructions on how to filter oldengine oil to use as fuel.
Click to expand...
In 1945, when some captured Me262s were being flown from Germany to Farnborough and no kerosene was available, their tanks were filled with good quality diesel and they made the flight successfully.
 
jdc said:
'a bit of bug preventer' is probably bad also (not getting at you, but at the marketing by the snake oil purveyors). You might as well ask 'Why not add a bit of antibiotic' to animal feed? Because only the fittest bacteria, ie those with mutations most resistant to the biocide, survive. A better way of selecting for antibiotic / biocide resistant bugs couldn't be conceived. MRSA is an example.

Instead, don't have free water, and if you do, drain it off at once. Probably like this you'll never have an issue. But if you have confirmed bug, then shock treat the whole tank and system with a massive dose. No half measures: if prescribed an antibiotic you wouldn't take half the prescribed dose and then stop after a day or two 'cos you feel better, you do what the GP wrote on the label! Same goes for biocide - not as bad, but you get the idea.

PS I agree 100% on get from a good supplier who has stored it properly; the amount of water which is dissolved in fuel is regulated to prevent it ending up in a puddle at the bottom of the tank, but cowboys don't always pay attention. Probably a supermarket forecourt is that safest place to buy from, and a marina the worst.
Click to expand...


Please explain how SRB exists in Diesel / Kero / Fuel OIl with no free water .....................

The problem is so many think 'bug' is just one range of 'critter' ............. its not.

Common 'bug' is Yeast / Moulds / Bacterium which prefers a moisture level
Second is Sulphur Reducing Bacteria - which survives 'dry fuel'.

Obviously as Sulphur levels are reduced in fuels - SRB becomes less of a problem.
 
WoodyP said:
Thats wrong. Agricultural operations by contractors can use red.
Click to expand...
Yes and no. My point was hauling straw that is someone else's, not your own produce, My understanding from thoroughly reading info from the NFU, Farmers' Weekly articles, etc.. is that contractors on farm are fine to use red, but when you haul produce on the road - straw, grain, spuds - you become a contract haulier and as such you should be on white. It is somewhat semantic in the sense that; who is going to check and how can they prove that they are not your spuds or your straw.
A tad off-topic but, hey, when has that ever mattered on this forum. :)
 
mil1194 said:
That is the argument one of my contractor friends are currently having. When they are contracting they are no longer farming - they are running a contracting business, whereas if they use the same equipment on their own farm then they are farming,
Click to expand...
My understanding is that on the fields they are carrying out farming operations, albeit for someone else - fine to use red. Equally travelling between fields and farms with, say, a round baler. It is just the hauling another party's produce on the road that the red/white diesel issue kicks in.
My nephew has a digger business. When he is on the road or doing digger work he now has to use white when previously he could use red. If he is going around fields with his tree shear lopping branches from trees he can use red as it is forestry. But the whole tank drain and filter change issue kicks in.
It's real pig's ear legislation.
 
Its ok talking about drain tank and fill with XXXX

Does no-one here understand that Red Diesel has a Chemical Yellow Marker ???

This is to show any tank that has had RED diesel in it .... the Yellow Marker is picked up by tests even after repeated change of tank contents.
People used to talk about Fullers Earth filtering out Red Dye ... but that NEVER removed the Yellow Marker.

OK - the Yellow Marker was designed to show when ROAD vehicles had used RED illegally.
 
I have noticed that Super Unleaded petrol, and Premium diesel, does produce better fuel economy. I use Esso Super unleaded in both outboards and car . It's only about 10p a lt more and in my area it contains no ethanol. I also used Premium white Diesel for the boat .

It seems that HVO diesel users have much less of a problem with the bug. Price and availability might be an issue for us though.

Quote
"Looking further afield, Sweden, Finland and several other European countries have already made HVO available at petrol stations. Finland even introduced excise duty fuel relief to encourage adoption, which has been a huge success."
 
DangerousPirate said:
I am confused, I always thought red diesel is significantly cheaper, but the red diesel in the marina is the same price than at a petrol station? I don't drive, so I never noticed really. I remember I paid nearly 2 pounds per litre in Troon 2-3 months ago. 25 ltrs roughly were around 50-55 pounds from memory. Don't have the receipt anymore.

Where do I get cheap red diesel? I find it online, but from 500 litres and up. Bit more than than I need tbh. Clueless about where I could buy it. Mainly thinking about heating for the diesel heater, not even motoring
Click to expand...
Although its a few years ago I once bought a Power Boat located in Northwich, I telephoned ESSO and found that they would deliver 2 X 40 gallon drums of Red Diesel to the Marina. Have a ring round.
Since then I have a farm and apart from having Red Diesel delivered I have found that there are hundreds of Tractor Dealers dotted round the country and they all have a red diesel pump for selling to customers.
 
jdc said:
Err, I think you need to revisit my post. In it I explicitly said that free water is essential for SRB to survive.
Click to expand...

For over 15yrs I owned PetroChem labs testing all manner incl. this very subject ...

I have spent over 30yrs working with Oil Co's / Traders blending and supervising.

SRB - various strains DO NOT require free water ..... Do not mix Yeast and Moulds Bugs with SRB ... they are a specific different matter altogether.

Nowhere do you make any mention of SRB ... you bleat on about 'other bugs' that use the free-water interface.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page

Top