Red Diesel the same price as regular?

[DangerousPirate]

I am confused, I always thought red diesel is significantly cheaper, but the red diesel in the marina is the same price than at a petrol station? I don't drive, so I never noticed really. I remember I paid nearly 2 pounds per litre in Troon 2-3 months ago. 25 ltrs roughly were around 50-55 pounds from memory. Don't have the receipt anymore.

Where do I get cheap red diesel? I find it online, but from 500 litres and up. Bit more than than I need tbh. Clueless about where I could buy it. Mainly thinking about heating for the diesel heater, not even motoring

 

[Sandy]

I only use white. Thought the Westminster government changed the rules on red for boat owners.

 

[Refueler]

Red Diesel is Red with a Yellow Chemical Marker for one reason :

The Tax levied on it is less for Industrial / Agricultural use. Boaters were lucky beneficiaries of that. But only with Diesel. Poor old Petrol users were not so lucky !!

I did not follow latest ruling as I my Consultation services with RYA / CA committees ended a while back ..... I was helping advise on the fuel change differences and effects etc.

But I believe the intention was back then to bring pricing in line with regular diesel for all but the Industrial / Agricultural users. The pressure from EU (UK was still in EU then) was serious and UK was being pushed to end Red for Boaters.

I seem to remember though that a Boater could 'log' fuel for its use .... engine or heating .... whether that qualified for tax allowances ??

I'm interested to know what did happen ....

 

[WoodyP]

I use small quantities of red on the farm tractor. I buy in cans from the local garage. You have to leave your address and name, as it's now illegal to use it in plant. I paid £1.25 per litre two weeks ago. White at the same garage is £1.65. l only use white on the boat now.

 

[Dellquay13]

I buy red from the marina at 60/40% heating and engine (or the other way round) and it is broadly the same price as Tesco’s white diesel just across the road. If you can convince your outlet it is 100% for heating, it should be Road Fuel Duty free and considerably cheaper.
I still stick to red on the boat in the vain hope it is free from biodiesel, and so less prone to dissolved water contamination (and hence bug)

 

[WoodyP]

Why not use kerosene aka central heating oil ? That's for the heater not the engine btw.

 

[Dellquay13]

I only use white. Thought the Westminster government changed the rules on red for boat owners.

You can use red, as long as you pay the road fuel duty on the percentage you expect to go through the engine, and the remaining percentage that is for your chinaspacher is duty free.

 

[Tranona]

You can only really buy it at marinas and harbours where you should be able to use the "declaration" that you use 60% for propulsion. This is a concession as explained here Buying diesel | regulations | RYA generally known as the 60/40 rule which gives you a 40% reduction in the duty element. However suppliers are not obliged to offer it, but most do and will offer you the declaration if you ask for it. However waterside suppliers have a monopoly and high costs so the saving may not be huge compared with buying white from a shoreside supplier

Some of us find it all too much hassle for the small saving so just buy from Tescos for the relatively small amounts we use.

 

[DownWest]

Think I mentioned this before, but a brit with a big old wooden pilot vessel, just ordered the heating fuel people to the dock and had them put two tonnes in. This was before the price jumps, so he paid about half white price. Nobody blinked.

 

[Momac]

I only use white. Thought the Westminster government changed the rules on red for boat owners.

No they didn't proceed with a proposed change as far as boats are concerned unless you are in Northern Ireland.

 

[Momac]

I am confused, I always thought red diesel is significantly cheaper, but the red diesel in the marina is the same price than at a petrol station? I don't drive, so I never noticed really. I remember I paid nearly 2 pounds per litre in Troon 2-3 months ago. 25 ltrs roughly were around 50-55 pounds from memory. Don't have the receipt anymore.

Where do I get cheap red diesel? I find it online, but from 500 litres and up. Bit more than than I need tbh. Clueless about where I could buy it. Mainly thinking about heating for the diesel heater, not even motoring

It's been so the last year .
Cant say I paid £2 but it was close to that at one point.
Prices seem to have settled a little but still very much on he high side .

 

[TSB240]

We buy red diesel from a local Texaco. I have registered with them and clearly state that I am using it for motive power of a pleasure vessel and heating.

The government has not banned private individuals using it for boating. Only Northern Ireland is excluded.

I pay a marginally smaller amount than the pump price for road diesel as 5hey have significantly increased the duty.

If the marina had any red diesel in their storage tank they would fill my boat up with it but they can't fill their tractors with it any longer .
The Marina Groups suppliers have probably refused them credit since August as they emptied the marina storage tank into their dredger which disappeared off to Watchet.

Agricultural use only.

I would use a day tank with Kerosene or 28 second heating oil if I couldn't get red for heating.

 

[Farmer Piles]

There is still duty on red diesel but it is about 60ppl lower than white. As mentioned above, boats are still able to do the 60/40 split as before.
It used to be that pretty much any off-road diesel user could use red. The new regs mean that only agriculture, horticulture and forestry can now use red. The biggest losers in this are the builders, industrial plant operators and diggers. They have also tightened the regs for us farmers. For example; if I had a mate carry straw from my fields to my sheds via the road, technically he is a contractor and should use white. To the point that he should drain his tank and change the filters to remove any trace of red.

 

[mil1194]

There is still duty on red diesel but it is about 60ppl lower than white. As mentioned above, boats are still able to do the 60/40 split as before.
It used to be that pretty much any off-road diesel user could use red. The new regs mean that only agriculture, horticulture and forestry can now use red. The biggest losers in this are the builders, industrial plant operators and diggers. They have also tightened the regs for us farmers. For example; if I had a mate carry straw from my fields to my sheds via the road, technically he is a contractor and should use white. To the point that he should drain his tank and change the filters to remove any trace of red.

This contractor/farmer argument - sorry - discussion - has been going on for ever. I agree with you - if it’s your farm, your fields, your straw and your equipment then it’s red all day - the moment someone else is being paid to do that for you/with you then they are contractors and should be on white.

 

[Sandy]

You can use red, as long as you pay the road fuel duty on the percentage you expect to go through the engine, and the remaining percentage that is for your chinaspacher is duty free.

Having had a dose of the Diesel Bug from red (I put it down to tiny turn over of their tanks compared to the local supermarket), no thanks. I fill a couple of jerry cans on the way down to the boat so don't even need to spend time looking for red.

 

[Bodach na mara]

I was told that kerosene or 28 second heating oil should not be used in engines as it lacks the lubricant needed for the fuel pump. If this is correct then using it to save a few quid could result in an expensive repair.

 

[CalicoJack]

I thought that the big advantage of red is that if you are lucky you can buy it FAME free, which is recommended for older engines and fuel systems?

 

[Dellquay13]

Having had a dose of the Diesel Bug from red (I put it down to tiny turn over of their tanks compared to the local supermarket), no thanks. I fill a couple of jerry cans on the way down to the boat so don't even need to spend time looking for red.

I get my red from Milford docks and they have a big turnover, so I trust their red more than I trust Tesco white with 7% fame and god knows what else they are diluting it down with at the time

 

[FWB]

Mylor YH say that they put additive in their tank. Kind of hard to believe considering the volume but they insist that they do.

 

[harvey38]

60/40 or zero rated available at Ramsgate, declare what you want but they are audited so if someone filled their tank at zero rated in the height of Summer I think they would be paid a visit!