BrendanS
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Sounds like you did an excellent job in difficult conditions. One of the things that these forums excel at though - passing on first hand experiences
Realife MOB recovery - lessons learnt
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longjohnsilver
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Yes a lovely looking vessel, and well done on the rescue, could not have been easy.
Yes a lovely looking vessel, and well done on the rescue, could not have been easy.
Rob_Webb
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That's not an unreasonable question. So let's think back.....
Given it was blowing 30-40kts I would not have been able to throw a line very effectively upwind from my downwind position. So I would have needed to station myself upwind of them all and throw the line downwind to them and then winch them in. Yes, that would have been possible. But given that I was singlehanded it would have been difficult to do that whilst keeping the boat head to wind and in position without drifting back down onto them or the bow falling away. And in fact I did initially try to approach from upwind but in the short time I put the engine in neutral to avoid a prop hazard whilst recovering person, I drifted a long way downwind and the bow fell off. Hence I found myself now downwind of the casualties and with my stern facing them.
Hence I abandoned the upwind approach and reverted to the stern-to approach which was a lot quicker because it required no turning in between pickups. Just pickup... drift a bit whilst in neutral and man clambers aboard.... then a burst astern back to next person... pickup... drift a bit etc.
Given it was blowing 30-40kts I would not have been able to throw a line very effectively upwind from my downwind position. So I would have needed to station myself upwind of them all and throw the line downwind to them and then winch them in. Yes, that would have been possible. But given that I was singlehanded it would have been difficult to do that whilst keeping the boat head to wind and in position without drifting back down onto them or the bow falling away. And in fact I did initially try to approach from upwind but in the short time I put the engine in neutral to avoid a prop hazard whilst recovering person, I drifted a long way downwind and the bow fell off. Hence I found myself now downwind of the casualties and with my stern facing them.
Hence I abandoned the upwind approach and reverted to the stern-to approach which was a lot quicker because it required no turning in between pickups. Just pickup... drift a bit whilst in neutral and man clambers aboard.... then a burst astern back to next person... pickup... drift a bit etc.
fireball
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Thankyou! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Birdseye
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As an aside to this, I was once told the story of an instructor (6 ft and 16 stone) who jumped in the water for a practise mob with a class of 6 firemen on board . Without his co-operation, the firemen were unable to get him out of the water despite all the traing they had had. He had to get himself back on board.
Sobering thought for the average family crew trying to fish an unfit, waterlogged father out of a freezing Atlantic.
Anyway, well done. And yes it is a pretty boat. What is it?
Sobering thought for the average family crew trying to fish an unfit, waterlogged father out of a freezing Atlantic.
Anyway, well done. And yes it is a pretty boat. What is it?
KREW2
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Hi again
Firstly I forgot to say what a good job you did with your rescue well done
Secondly why dont we run a competion to see who can phoenetically (that might be wrong as well) spell Whangaparaoa
regards KW
Hi again
Firstly I forgot to say what a good job you did with your rescue well done
Secondly why dont we run a competion to see who can phoenetically (that might be wrong as well) spell Whangaparaoa
regards KW
ShipsWoofy
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fong-a-pah-rroah
easy
easy
easy
What do I win.
fong-a-pah-rroah
easy
easy
easy
What do I win.
Mahi
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Well done Rob - you obviously did extremely well under those circumstances. I take my hat off to you.
A method that I have used successfully in practice and in real case scenario is as follows:
It requires having an inflatable on board, or you could use a liferaft in extreme conditions etc. Main vessel is held in a safe position upwind of the vessel in distress. Inflatable is released on a long line from the stern of that vessel. The aim is to allow the inflatable to drift back to people that need to be rescued. When they have got into the inflatable it is pulled back to rescue vessel.
That way one avoids having to manoeuvre in close quarters. It also lowers the risk of injury to survivors. Of course, in very windy conditions a light inflatable can flip but it is still something to hang on to and be towed back to the rescue vessel.
A method that I have used successfully in practice and in real case scenario is as follows:
It requires having an inflatable on board, or you could use a liferaft in extreme conditions etc. Main vessel is held in a safe position upwind of the vessel in distress. Inflatable is released on a long line from the stern of that vessel. The aim is to allow the inflatable to drift back to people that need to be rescued. When they have got into the inflatable it is pulled back to rescue vessel.
That way one avoids having to manoeuvre in close quarters. It also lowers the risk of injury to survivors. Of course, in very windy conditions a light inflatable can flip but it is still something to hang on to and be towed back to the rescue vessel.
Mahi
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You are a very good pc doggy - when I lived there it was .....
Wonga - pa- row- ah /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
You are a very good pc doggy - when I lived there it was .....
Wonga - pa- row- ah /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Rob_Webb
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Well, to start with we need to sort out the 'Wh' beginning.
Most of NZ follow the politically correct Maori pronounciation of 'Wh' representing the letter 'f'. But some die-hards resist this and simply pronounce it as a 'w'.
But let's assume we are going with PC majority of pronouncing it as 'F'.
The middle bit ain't so hard but the final bit requires attention. Notice that after the 'r' you have 'a' then 'o' then 'a'. So strictly speaking this combination of 'ra-o-a' creates a 3 syllable ending.
So we end up with a 6 syllable phonetic pronounciation of:
Funga-pah-row-wuh-uh
Of course said quickly the last 3 syllables can become merged making it sound more like 5 syllables i.e. Fung-ga-pah-row-uh. But that's wrong.
On the basis of your efforts both Woofy and Mahi share the prize which is a sunset cruise around Auckland's Waitemata Harbour aboard Aily's Comet. Departing and returning to the viaduct harbour. All you have to do is get yourself here!
Well, to start with we need to sort out the 'Wh' beginning.
Most of NZ follow the politically correct Maori pronounciation of 'Wh' representing the letter 'f'. But some die-hards resist this and simply pronounce it as a 'w'.
But let's assume we are going with PC majority of pronouncing it as 'F'.
The middle bit ain't so hard but the final bit requires attention. Notice that after the 'r' you have 'a' then 'o' then 'a'. So strictly speaking this combination of 'ra-o-a' creates a 3 syllable ending.
So we end up with a 6 syllable phonetic pronounciation of:
Funga-pah-row-wuh-uh
Of course said quickly the last 3 syllables can become merged making it sound more like 5 syllables i.e. Fung-ga-pah-row-uh. But that's wrong.
On the basis of your efforts both Woofy and Mahi share the prize which is a sunset cruise around Auckland's Waitemata Harbour aboard Aily's Comet. Departing and returning to the viaduct harbour. All you have to do is get yourself here!
ShipsWoofy
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Can't take credit for this one. SWMBO wrote it out for me, she is er, a Kiwi /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Can't take credit for this one. SWMBO wrote it out for me, she is er, a Kiwi /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Ships_Cat
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Nah - it is all just Jafa Land no matter where you are /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Easy to pronounce too.
John
Nah - it is all just Jafa Land no matter where you are /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Easy to pronounce too.
John
alant
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Brave rescue Roy-Webb, well done.
There is advice regarding "Rescue by Lifeboat, Helicopter & Ship" in the RYA Sea Survival Practical Course Notes. But none concerning Rescue by yacht.
However, on the practical course, it was stressed that pick-up from the sugar scoop was extremely dangerous for the survivor, due to the yacht pitching & at least 10 tons of boat smacking down on that persons head. Using the bathing ladder as well, was akin to spear fishing humans & not to be deployed. Also, some way-on might be necessary to keep boat head to seas/ wind & turning propellor would then be an additional hazard, should the MOB's legs go underneath. "<5. Despite trying to stay head to wind I found the boat inevitably weather-cocked around and the bow fell off downwind. This was unavoidable cos I had to obviously go into neutral to avoid chopping up my casualties in the water and I then started drifting whilst each guy clambered aboard.
6. In the end I stopped trying to fight the weather-cock effect and simply stayed stern to wind. This meant that as I approached each casualty I was motoring astern at about 2-3kts into the chop which created a huge wash over my stern and into the cockpit - which of course found its way below. The bilge pumps were now singing.>"
Having tried to recover a damaged RIB under these conditions (50/55 knts), I found it easier to get it alongside (leeward) & then (finally with help) able to get it onboard & lashed. This was in a centre cockpit 50' yacht. If recovering a person, I would still prefer to lash alongside midships & then attempt recovery, rather than risk a MOB smashed head from the stern sugarscoop. In this position, probably would not require any propulsion either, so much safer perhaps.
There is advice regarding "Rescue by Lifeboat, Helicopter & Ship" in the RYA Sea Survival Practical Course Notes. But none concerning Rescue by yacht.
However, on the practical course, it was stressed that pick-up from the sugar scoop was extremely dangerous for the survivor, due to the yacht pitching & at least 10 tons of boat smacking down on that persons head. Using the bathing ladder as well, was akin to spear fishing humans & not to be deployed. Also, some way-on might be necessary to keep boat head to seas/ wind & turning propellor would then be an additional hazard, should the MOB's legs go underneath. "<5. Despite trying to stay head to wind I found the boat inevitably weather-cocked around and the bow fell off downwind. This was unavoidable cos I had to obviously go into neutral to avoid chopping up my casualties in the water and I then started drifting whilst each guy clambered aboard.
6. In the end I stopped trying to fight the weather-cock effect and simply stayed stern to wind. This meant that as I approached each casualty I was motoring astern at about 2-3kts into the chop which created a huge wash over my stern and into the cockpit - which of course found its way below. The bilge pumps were now singing.>"
Having tried to recover a damaged RIB under these conditions (50/55 knts), I found it easier to get it alongside (leeward) & then (finally with help) able to get it onboard & lashed. This was in a centre cockpit 50' yacht. If recovering a person, I would still prefer to lash alongside midships & then attempt recovery, rather than risk a MOB smashed head from the stern sugarscoop. In this position, probably would not require any propulsion either, so much safer perhaps.
Olly
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Oh now I am disappointed. I thought it was your pad and your boat. I had already booked my ticket to NZ. Ces't la vie!
Oh now I am disappointed. I thought it was your pad and your boat. I had already booked my ticket to NZ. Ces't la vie!
