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How do boats get coded for chartering when they don't provide the equipment required to meet ColRegs i.e. anchor balls and motoring cones?

We rarely see motoring cones here in Greece. Today, we approached a tight gap with a yacht sailing towards us (we're sailing too) on the starboard tack so gave way to him. As he approached we heard his engine running, we showed him the motoring cone and he responded as if he'd never seen one in his life. So much for charter companies needing an ICC from the hirer - that would assume some knowledge of ColRegs.

Rant over.
 
Misplaced rant. Greek coding requirements specify a cone and an anchor ball, so the fault is not the boat's but the skippers' - and what you describe is pretty universal behaviour, not the result of lack of equipment.
 
never used one

NornaBiron said:
How do boats get coded for chartering when they don't provide the equipment required to meet ColRegs i.e. anchor balls and motoring cones?

We rarely see motoring cones here in Greece. Today, we approached a tight gap with a yacht sailing towards us (we're sailing too) on the starboard tack so gave way to him. As he approached we heard his engine running, we showed him the motoring cone and he responded as if he'd never seen one in his life. So much for charter companies needing an ICC from the hirer - that would assume some knowledge of ColRegs.

Rant over.
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never owned one - never used one, seldom see them

do not own an anchor ball either

darn it - I am such a dangerous ant-social incompetent sailor

some-one somewhere should do something
 
Tranona said:
Misplaced rant. Greek coding requirements specify a cone and an anchor ball, so the fault is not the boat's but the skippers' - and what you describe is pretty universal behaviour, not the result of lack of equipment.
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These are bareboat charters and flotillas. The biggest problem is the lack of awareness by the crews of these boats that it is even required.

I know of at least one flotilla company that does not equip their boats with cones and balls - I doubt if they are alone.
 
dylanwinter said:
never owned one - never used one, seldom see them

do not own an anchor ball either

darn it - I am such a dangerous ant-social incompetent sailor

some-one somewhere should do something
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Generally it's not an issue but when approaching a tight gap with fastcats, hydrofoils and other traffic around it's nice to know who you should be taking avoiding action from.
 
NornaBiron said:
These are bareboat charters and flotillas. The biggest problem is the lack of awareness by the crews of these boats that it is even required.

I know of at least one flotilla company that does not equip their boats with cones and balls - I doubt if they are alone.
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Yes, I know what you mean. But it is not the fault of the coding requirements. I used to own a bareboat charter boat and know they are both items of compulsory equipment. Does not, of course mean that everybody complies, nor that enforcement through inspection is rigorous!

However, as you know motoring or motorsailing is the dominant way of getting around, so not so sure lack of use of cones represents a serious hazard.
 
NornaBiron said:
How do boats get coded for chartering when they don't provide the equipment required to meet ColRegs i.e. anchor balls and motoring cones?

We rarely see motoring cones here in Greece. Today, we approached a tight gap with a yacht sailing towards us (we're sailing too) on the starboard tack so gave way to him. As he approached we heard his engine running, we showed him the motoring cone and he responded as if he'd never seen one in his life. So much for charter companies needing an ICC from the hirer - that would assume some knowledge of ColRegs.

Rant over.
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It doesn't necessarily follow that there isn't one on the boat - may just be because the skipper didn't deploy it ...
 
I have them and have only once used them (at anchor). I may change from sailing to motoring to motor sailing several times in a short passage; mucking around putting shapes in the fore-triangle to suit would take too long and require an otherwise unecessary trip to the fore-deck. Frankly, I regard them as an outdated anachronism.
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I have them and have only once used them (at anchor).
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I have never used a cone, and I don't intend to. Thers is nowhere the cone could be hung and be visible. If I'm motor-sailing, I am (usually) aware of it, and take any avoiding action in plenty of time. However, I always use a light or a ball when anchoring if there are other vessels around.
 
If rumour is to be believed, fines for not using a cone by our Continental neighbours are not unheard of. I prefer to let the Germans support EU finances rather than do this myself.
 
I agree

AntarcticPilot said:
I have them and have only once used them (at anchor). I may change from sailing to motoring to motor sailing several times in a short passage; mucking around putting shapes in the fore-triangle to suit would take too long and require an otherwise unecessary trip to the fore-deck. Frankly, I regard them as an outdated anachronism.
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I really cannot see the point of them

- the cones in particular

fnaa

D
 
NornaBiron said:
How do boats get coded for chartering when they don't provide the equipment required to meet ColRegs i.e. anchor balls and motoring cones?

We rarely see motoring cones here in Greece. Today, we approached a tight gap with a yacht sailing towards us (we're sailing too) on the starboard tack so gave way to him. As he approached we heard his engine running, we showed him the motoring cone and he responded as if he'd never seen one in his life. So much for charter companies needing an ICC from the hirer - that would assume some knowledge of ColRegs.

Rant over.
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Anchor balls, cones, regulations, coding, rules ......... are you German?
 
NornaBiron said:
Generally it's not an issue but when approaching a tight gap with fastcats, hydrofoils and other traffic around it's nice to know who you should be taking avoiding action from.
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Surely you should take, or be prepared to take avoiding action at all times when sailing.

Maybe you need some chill pills on your boat:D

Philliph

as for hitting a boat at anchor ,that's a pretty dumb thing to do:confused:
 
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billskip said:
as for hitting a boat at anchor ,that's a pretty dumb thing to do:confused:
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Not if you're sailing, and you think he's motoring and will avoid you.

OK, actually colliding is not clever, but I've had to make an unexpected manoeuvre before on suddenly spotting an anchor warp at the last minute.

A boat anchored in a channel with a couple of knots of tide setting up a ripple under the bow looks an awful lot like one motoring.

Pete
 
I don't have, and have never used an anchor ball or motoring cone.

I do have, and I do use an anchor light.(I have a seldom used LED masthead light and an often used "Salty John over the boom LED" )

I have sometimes used the anchor light when I have been on a mooring in the sort of place boats move around at night. Better safe than sorry.
 
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