europe172
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Do tell, air commodore?
RAF ensign
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europe172
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That is what I thought, I served my time and it seems a bit disrespectful, but maybe I am getting oldWiki says...
Use on sea-going craft[edit]
The RAF Ensign was flown by vessels belonging to the RAF Marine Branch including those sea-going craft assigned to the Air Sea Rescue Service.
Although the 1921 Order in Council gave the RAF the authority to display the Ensign as they saw fit, the Admiralty maintained that the Order did not supersede the regulations of the Merchant Shipping Act. In 1947 His Majesty's Customs and Excise took control of an RAF vessel on the basis that the RAF Ensign it displayed was illegal. After the incident, air force vessels continued to display the RAF Ensign.
Modern usage[edit]
The ensign at RAF Honington
The RAF Ensign is flown from the flagstaff of every Royal Air Force station during daylight hours. Ordinarily, it is hoisted and hauled down by the station's duty NCO and saluted by the station's orderly officer. The Ensign may also be hoisted or hauled down during a parade.
As the professional head of the RAF, the Chief of the Air Staff may fly the RAF Ensign. Air Attachés and the Heads of RAF Missions may also fly the RAF Ensign. It is also flown daily from the Ministry of Defence building in Whitehall, London.[2]
In the general British flag precedence, the Royal Air Force Ensign is just below the Royal Navy's White Ensign and just above the Blue and Red Ensigns. The only exception to this rule is when the RAF Ensign is being flown in place of the Union Flag when it takes that flag's precedence.[3]
Unless the owner of the yacht in Padstow is one of the Air Staff mentioned above (and seems pretty clear that the one in Padstow harbour is being displayed illegally, probably by some crab/ex crab dickhead trying to be "one-up".
This is the Civil Air Ensign, perfectly acceptable on your Sunderland or (PBY) Catalina...
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Caraway
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There are much worse things happening in the world than people using wrong flags
europe172
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Yes you are right , nothing to go on about, I was more curious then anything
Resolution
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I think it is time for you to nip over and challenge the skipper about his right to wear/hoist/fly this ensign
europe172
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good try but the entertainment will have to be provided by someone elseI think it is time for you to nip over and challenge the skipper about his right to wear/hoist/fly this ensign
jamie N
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My Irish Father was the "Royal Navy Air Attache" in Washington DC, and as a Fleet Air Arm officer, having been awarded the Air Force Cross, which ensign would have been most appropriate for him?
europe172
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I would guess the white ensign
westhinder
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I could buy one like that too, if I wanted ?No stars, but mine does have a crown in it.
Slowboat35
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How disgraceful and appallingly disrespectful to the tens of thousands who died or were wounded under that flag to just flippantly excuse it's inappropriate use as a triviality.
Some people have no respect whatsoever. They might have the common decency to consider whether they'd even be permitted to air such views without threat to their freedom had those who died not died in order to preserve that freedom, not that those fallen patriots would ever have dreamed that their own countrymen would so appallingly abuse the freedoms that they died protecting.
For utter shame!
Sometimes some of my own countrymen make me feel ashamed to be an Englishman.
Some people have no respect whatsoever. They might have the common decency to consider whether they'd even be permitted to air such views without threat to their freedom had those who died not died in order to preserve that freedom, not that those fallen patriots would ever have dreamed that their own countrymen would so appallingly abuse the freedoms that they died protecting.
For utter shame!
Sometimes some of my own countrymen make me feel ashamed to be an Englishman.
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Koeketiene
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Your fellow berth holders at VVW Nieuwpoort might give you some funny looks.
Although I gather the Dutch ensign might be something to aspire to. ?
Caraway
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Are you real?
Neeves
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Its a shame that those who protest cannot also be correct.
I believe it is a Union flag, or those who claim Union nationality and not exclusively for those who claim to be English, whatever that is.
Being truly pedantic if you were English you would fly the St Georges Cross, I believe.
As far as I am aware one's Nationality is defined, by most of the rest of the world, by one's passport and there is no indication (of which I am aware) within a UK passport defining one as coming from one of the states that make up the Union. I note that those from the north want to remove themselves from the Union and will try to impose a national vote to demonstrate support for the idea - I have to wonder how many of those eligible to vote are 'Scots' - whatever they are. Your recent immigrants I believe will consider themselves 'British' not English, or maybe citizens of the UK - which to me seems more correct that being English. 'English' should have disappeared at the Union of the Crown, or Parliament 300 or 400 years ago.
Being English is like claiming to be a Pict or an Angle - or a bit more recent Norman.
My father was a pilot in Coastal Command and survived being shot down over the North Sea and a prolonged internment on the Baltic coast - he would be ashamed to have though he was fighting for 'England' - he fought for freedom from tyranny, against mass extermination - if you like for Britain (or the UK) and all that the name implies.
Jonathan
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Caraway
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It's only in the past few years , (since social media really) that people have started to identify as individual micro nations within Britain.
It makes a complete hash of the "Little Englander" slur when Welsh and Scots as well as Cornish and any other self-important minority want to be 'recognised'. Yorkshiremen do not, of course. need to make faux claims to establish their supremacy.
Neeves
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I disagree - the Scottish National Party has been in existence and active since at least the 1960s, I think slightly prior to social media
. But then the Wallace Monument and Bannockburn were close by where I was brought up - which may have provided some sort of focal point. Programmes like' Scotch on the Rocks' and 'Brave Heart' simply added a romantic modern twist supported then by the idea it was 'Scottish' oil.There s nothing wrong but the thread appears to be drifting away from the correct usage of a specific ensign to something more serious, prompted by a post by Slowboat and my reply.
I'll back out of the discussion - but maybe it should be in The Lounge.
Jonathan
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grumpy_o_g
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If it's the RAF Ensign then it needs to be an RAF Boat and I don't think there are any any more except the RAFSA. The RAF Yacht Club fly a defaced Blue
So no one?
prv
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RAFSA ensign is different to the RAF one (and to the no-longer-RAF yacht club on the Hamble).
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jamie N
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My aforementioned Father joined the RN in 1943 with the sole desire of becoming a pilot. When asked why not join the 'crabs', the reply was, "Have you seen their uniform? Awful". A question of style and looking smart that he had for the following 28 years!
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