Radar scanner stolen. What now skipper?

jimmy_the_builder said:
Thanks; yes, I can see from ebay that the old C120 should return a few hundred quid. That does slightly soften the blow of a new Raymarine C125 (£1889).
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Jimmy I thought that Raymarine used to sell reconditioned units, maybe worth asking the question? A right PITA though. Is your boat now back here or still Med based?
 
kcrane said:
What you need is someone who has been looking at this stuff recently, now where could we find... ah, I know, me. Well, sort of.

Did you know that Raymarine in Fareham have an excellent demo room, with lots gear on mounts that let you look behind, different options cabled up etc. You can ring and book a session with a salesman (I had Ross) who merrily spends as long as you want chatting away and as it is at their offices he can go and ask support if you stump him. Not really a salesman BTW, he sells to dealers not end-users.

I think you sell the C120 on eBay (I am told they are in demand). Then you buy an A series MFD in the version with sonar (touchscreen plotter plus full on Dragonfly sonar, plus wifi allows connection of Android/Apple tablet to view and control MFD). A128 12" list price = £2,750, A98 9" list = £2,000. You can add a remote keypad (just like the E series right hand side buttons) for £250 and site it in best place to reach easily. Then you add the gizmo to interlink old ST with STng (R52131) plus 5 way connector (A06064) plus various cables and terminators etc (maybe £150 in total). You keep the autopilot, speed transducer etc.

I didn't ask about radar, but the 4KW 24" is £1,750.

So even keeping some stuff it adds up pretty quick - just over £4k without fitting.

You get a new transducer with the fancy sonar/fishfinder, old DSM30 won't do it. If happy with DSM30 you can get A125 or A95 which has wifi, but no sonar built in and save £300 on the MFD price.

Those are VAT inclusive prices without discounts and without fitting.
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Thanks for all this K, and for your time on the phone just now.

PS ref the rudder indicator - this is what I've got:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-PEN...at_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item4abc44d8bd

... and if you want to buy that actual item, I'll be in NY in a couple of weeks time if you want to get it shipped there, I'll bring it back for you (I've got no idea how much these are in the UK)
 
Sorry to hear about the theft.

Unless you want a new toy, then I'd just replace the scanner with one you find on ebay, or better still if you can find one as new, old stock.

As you know, our part of the med isn't the most demanding place to navigate in. There are few hazards, water is mostly deep, and I've had fog once in 8 years, and even then it was fairly short lived. You generally don't have to work the plotter and radar hard, so the benefits of touch screen, faster zoom, higher clarity etc. are less relevant. You have a sort of back up for radar with AIS, in as much as you know where the ships are, and in a manoeuvrable boat like the T40 you'd have to go some to collide with another small boat.
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Thanks for the clarity on the cable cutting. That does at least answer one question.

A 4ft open array could probably be made to fit (the early drawings of the T40 show it with a slightly smaller Furuno open array scanner) but I suspect that some surgery would be required to the light mast - although in the grand scheme of things, this isn't a particularly big deal I guess.
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4ft is rather large innit JFM?
OTOH, if JTB's not interested I might be :D
Still not even designed let alone fabricate the f/b arch/htop so I'm sure I could do it.
Mind I could happily cruise without it around here for a couple of years before 24inch digital radome prices drop a bit.


and back on topic, Jimmy I'd be very cautious on resoldering the 20odd cables using the original stressed socket (unless the plug unscrews and you can solder on the pins). Your best bet imho is getting another cable, chopping it further down and threading it through the arch and do the join far away from the stress points on a easy and dry spot. Well, you can thread the lot back just swap cables!

The beauty of the digital radars imho is the fact that they run on essentially an Ethernet cable (with fancy sealed plugs and sheathing to justify the tenfold price...) plus a 2cable power supply. Easy to thread through practically anything.


I'd opt for digital radome and mfd linking all the rest on it ;)

cheers

V.
 
JTB

Was the stolen scanner a 2 or 4 kw? The reason I ask is that I have a 4kw analogue scanner connected to a C80 and in perfect working order currently fitted to my boat, but I am replacing I with a 2kw cos it looks too big on a 28ft boat.

The reason for the original question is that a 4kw needs extra power, so uses a heavier duty cable. If yours was a 2kw, you would be better of replacing it with another 2kw, but if I was 4kw, I may be able to help you depending on how much of a hurry you are in.
 
neale said:
JTB

Was the stolen scanner a 2 or 4 kw? The reason I ask is that I have a 4kw analogue scanner connected to a C80 and in perfect working order currently fitted to my boat, but I am replacing I with a 2kw cos it looks too big on a 28ft boat.

The reason for the original question is that a 4kw needs extra power, so uses a heavier duty cable. If yours was a 2kw, you would be better of replacing it with another 2kw, but if I was 4kw, I may be able to help you depending on how much of a hurry you are in.
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I think it was a 2kw but all my doco relating to this is on the boat; I'll check when I am along there tomorrow.

To answer your second question, I'm not in a great hurry to sort this out - the boat is planned to be out of the water now until late March.

Also, thanks to VolvoPaul, I've got another potential source of an analogue unit to see tomorrow as well.
 
Nick_H said:
Sorry to hear about the theft.

Unless you want a new toy, then I'd just replace the scanner with one you find on ebay, or better still if you can find one as new, old stock.

As you know, our part of the med isn't the most demanding place to navigate in. There are few hazards, water is mostly deep, and I've had fog once in 8 years, and even then it was fairly short lived. You generally don't have to work the plotter and radar hard, so the benefits of touch screen, faster zoom, higher clarity etc. are less relevant. You have a sort of back up for radar with AIS, in as much as you know where the ships are, and in a manoeuvrable boat like the T40 you'd have to go some to collide with another small boat.
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Yep agreed, although there are occasions (as above) where I really do want to have radar, so it's not something I want to be without.

My current feeling is that if I can easily replace the absent unit like-for-like, then that's what I'll do. Otherwise I'll just bite the bullet and replace the entire suite inc autopilot. I just hadn't planned to spend that extra £5k, is all.
 
You should be able to connect new Raymarine equipment via the Seatalk to Seatalk ng adaptor. I fitted an e7 MFD to ST60 Instruments and a ST6001 autopilot head. Works great.
 
I have an analogue radome with cable that I have just had replaced by digital because my e120 packed up. Removed by Berthon a month ago with strict instructions to look after it for resale. New in 2007 I believe - worked fine when last used - currently in my shed waiting a scrub up before I put on ebay. I'd have to investigate fair price if you are interested?
 
ohmaggie said:
I have an analogue radome with cable that I have just had replaced by digital because my e120 packed up. Removed by Berthon a month ago with strict instructions to look after it for resale. New in 2007 I believe - worked fine when last used - currently in my shed waiting a scrub up before I put on ebay. I'd have to investigate fair price if you are interested?
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Thanks Ohmaggie - let me find out the exact model number that was previously installed, and I'll come back to you tomorrow. Thanks though, could be useful.
 
Jimmy, sorry to hear this, a right pita! Did the theft occur in transit? I thought the security at RK ok. When I had Rafiki trucked to Portishead, Raymarine told me to cut the radome cable, then use a "chocolate block" to make the connections when re-installed. I was none too keen on this, but it seems to have worked ok. With your busted cable, it is worth checking the continuity of the legacy cable, as the leads are very fine, and will break without too much effort. Are your insurers helping you with this loss?
 
stelican said:
Hi
From memory the 4kw has a secondary pair of cables to carry the extra power required so easy to run in an extra twin core cable
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Ah - see from this you are after a 4kw. Haven't had chance to check mine but from recollection pretty certain it is 2kw (and from sailboat so cable may not suit - not that I understand why but the electronics guy was trying to.explain in connection with the 10m cable that came bundled with the new one). Still, it's going nowhere quickly...

Mark
 
Hi Jimmy,
Sorry to hear this one. What an effin' nuisance.

C120W is the digital replacement but the Digi' scanner is expensive. It's worth a call to Nick or Chris at EBY. THey are more likely to have analogue scanners that have been upgraded than digital, believe me.

The unit is almost exactly the same in use and if you get any issues over cable shortening affecting impedance etc. A new Ray cable is not the end of the world either.

Check the manuals out on the discontinued product items link to 'Fluor'. from the Raymarine manuals download page.

If they catch the little wotsits, take them 'grenade fishing.:encouragement:

Hope it works out,

Roger.
 
J

Sorry to hear the bad news. Hope you are able to source a simple replacement for both the scanner and cable.

Looks to be plenty of help and advice on here (as usual!).:D
 
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