FAITIRA
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I do prefer a sailing boat to "The Starship Enterprise" Joe.
Radar Detectors
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captainslarty
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Hi David, no I´m NOT saying that.. I am saying that the self steering doesnt HAVE to be windvane, althogh, yes, its definitely preferable. it can be electrical, trim tab, servo pendulum or seperate unit. also, a radar is a must for me, and it is extremely hard to argue the case against one at the price and requirements.
So, yes, automatic pilot of some description, AND radar, and the power to run it or the means to generate it.
Thats all I am saying.. and with careful prioritorisation of funds, I am confident it IS all achievable.
Joe
So, yes, automatic pilot of some description, AND radar, and the power to run it or the means to generate it.
Thats all I am saying.. and with careful prioritorisation of funds, I am confident it IS all achievable.
Joe
captainslarty
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the Enterprise ????
Naw Bill, the Starship Voyager... now yer talking... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Yer never grow up, yer toys just get more expensive....
Joe
Naw Bill, the Starship Voyager... now yer talking... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Yer never grow up, yer toys just get more expensive....
Joe
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I don,t think a singlehander is conforming to the col regs even WITH a radar,
[/ QUOTE ]That may or may not be true (but see below) - regs are regs, they are proscribed, interpreted and there is precedent. Even if you had a radar better than a dozen watchkeepers, there would be some doubt whether you met the colregs.
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I think it is misplaced confidence to believe a radar set sees as well as a human watchkeeper...
[/ QUOTE ] I could demonstrate that on average a well adjusted radar can spot conflicting objects more reliably than any singe watchkeeper (and I do mean an awake watchkeeper!). Both will miss things from time to time, that's why boats hit things quite often. You should really have a good visual and radar watch.
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A single hander has to accept that he cannot conform to the col regs, and he is uninsured for any risks involving a collision, wether he has radar running at the time or not.
[/ QUOTE ] Do you have any legal precedent for that statement? I very much doubt whether you are correct. For a start, in thick fog the radar will usually be the primary 'visual' aid.
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I have insurance for 24hrs singlehanded, after that I accept I am on my own, in more ways than one.
[/ QUOTE ]That doesn't make a lot of sense. When you go to sea there is no certainty about when you will arrive in a harbour. You might have bad weather and end up 48 hours or more, running from foul weather or hove-to. You should ask your insurer what he expects you to do, beam-up?
I don,t think a singlehander is conforming to the col regs even WITH a radar,
[/ QUOTE ]That may or may not be true (but see below) - regs are regs, they are proscribed, interpreted and there is precedent. Even if you had a radar better than a dozen watchkeepers, there would be some doubt whether you met the colregs.
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I think it is misplaced confidence to believe a radar set sees as well as a human watchkeeper...
[/ QUOTE ] I could demonstrate that on average a well adjusted radar can spot conflicting objects more reliably than any singe watchkeeper (and I do mean an awake watchkeeper!). Both will miss things from time to time, that's why boats hit things quite often. You should really have a good visual and radar watch.
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A single hander has to accept that he cannot conform to the col regs, and he is uninsured for any risks involving a collision, wether he has radar running at the time or not.
[/ QUOTE ] Do you have any legal precedent for that statement? I very much doubt whether you are correct. For a start, in thick fog the radar will usually be the primary 'visual' aid.
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I have insurance for 24hrs singlehanded, after that I accept I am on my own, in more ways than one.
[/ QUOTE ]That doesn't make a lot of sense. When you go to sea there is no certainty about when you will arrive in a harbour. You might have bad weather and end up 48 hours or more, running from foul weather or hove-to. You should ask your insurer what he expects you to do, beam-up?
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Voyager? 7 of 9 would be a godsend for a singlehander. I wonder who others would choose given a free choice from the crew of Voyager?
captainslarty
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lol David, surely you WOULDNT be SH if you had a crew ???? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
anyways, I am getting a tattoo on me forehead like Chakote...
Jayne is definitely 7 of 9 on her good days... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Spock was more hte ideal crew.... Scotty, well, he walks into overhead beams as he gets older.. (Generations).... and he Canny give yer more Capt´n.....
However, we always find it...
have you seen how tall, or not ! ,, Janeway is in RL ???.. she really is a squirt lol.... I think her n Tom Cruise would make a good crew.. sort of Voyager meets Top Gun.....
Anyways.. We digress... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Just got a whole series of SG1 from China.. in english.. !!!.. but not a patch on STV
anyways, I am getting a tattoo on me forehead like Chakote...
Jayne is definitely 7 of 9 on her good days... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Spock was more hte ideal crew.... Scotty, well, he walks into overhead beams as he gets older.. (Generations).... and he Canny give yer more Capt´n.....
However, we always find it...
have you seen how tall, or not ! ,, Janeway is in RL ???.. she really is a squirt lol.... I think her n Tom Cruise would make a good crew.. sort of Voyager meets Top Gun.....
Anyways.. We digress... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Just got a whole series of SG1 from China.. in english.. !!!.. but not a patch on STV
FAITIRA
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Sorry David this is a total load of CR*P generated by people who have absolutely no idea of what cruising is about. If you need a power plant, I think one is totally missing the point, and it would be far better to stay in the Semi in the UK and be comfortable with the telly, dvd, washing machine, drier etc /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
captainslarty
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No Bill.. it IS a load of crap, correct, and unfortuantely for you. it IS what cruising is all about, and this specific medium is a faceless connection. its called conversation, at arms length... not throwing dummies out.
FAITIRA
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BTW David, do you know if John and Julie, (Colvic 40ish), they were in Almerimar in 94, he was not too well, if they are there could you maybe ask them for an email address or phone No., we cruised together in 92-3, nice couple. (They will remember my Rival 32 "TRYVAL").
Thanks, Bill.
Thanks, Bill.
tcm
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new thread needed
FAITIRA
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Joe, when you have put the boat back together, after starting to refit in Coruna in 05, after a paid crew passage over Biscay, (you told me, your sailing instructor? you said).
Don,t fill us all full of your unexperienced, experiencies, read about but never done, I sympathise but find it hard when you knock, express strong opinions about things you have never done. Come back and tell us how to do it, when you have done it.
Don,t fill us all full of your unexperienced, experiencies, read about but never done, I sympathise but find it hard when you knock, express strong opinions about things you have never done. Come back and tell us how to do it, when you have done it.
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Sorry David this is a total load of CR*P generated by people who have absolutely no idea of what cruising is about. If you need a power plant, I think one is totally missing the point, and it would be far better to stay in the Semi in the UK and be comfortable with the telly, dvd, washing machine, drier etc /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
[/ QUOTE ]That's arrogant nonsense. By what right do you dictate lifestyle choices to other yachtsmen? By what right do you decide whether a telly, or a kettle or any other piece of kit is "the point"? I suggest that "the point" is boating. That includes rich boats, poor boats, big and little boats, motor and sail, equipped with bells and whistles - and just sails and string. A good friend of mine doesn't even have an engine and he sails all over Europe....
You can live aboard and cruise (without being in marinas all the time) in great comfort without huge cost. We lie to anchor with all mod cons, a washing machine, watermaker, heating, air conditioning, telly, DVDs, two laptops, lights, fridge/freezer, unlimited showers, RIB with decent outboard.... on a yacht that costs far less than the smallest flat you could buy in the UK (we don't have a house, we live on our yacht). Who are you to tell me that we are missing "the point"?
What does need to be asked in this thread is whether people should have the freedom to sail their boats into crowded waters and go to sleep without keeping a proper watch. Not only could they be killed, but so could others either as a result of a collision or lives lost in trying to rescue the lone yachtsman. And spare a thought for the poor OOW on a ferry or other commercial ship who might end up in the dock on a manslaughter charge because some BF didn't want to use much electricity and decided to sail his boat without proper lighting, radar or adequate crew to stand a watch. Now that's a point seriously worthy of consideration for many of us.
"Total load of CR*P", indeed!
Sorry David this is a total load of CR*P generated by people who have absolutely no idea of what cruising is about. If you need a power plant, I think one is totally missing the point, and it would be far better to stay in the Semi in the UK and be comfortable with the telly, dvd, washing machine, drier etc /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
[/ QUOTE ]That's arrogant nonsense. By what right do you dictate lifestyle choices to other yachtsmen? By what right do you decide whether a telly, or a kettle or any other piece of kit is "the point"? I suggest that "the point" is boating. That includes rich boats, poor boats, big and little boats, motor and sail, equipped with bells and whistles - and just sails and string. A good friend of mine doesn't even have an engine and he sails all over Europe....
You can live aboard and cruise (without being in marinas all the time) in great comfort without huge cost. We lie to anchor with all mod cons, a washing machine, watermaker, heating, air conditioning, telly, DVDs, two laptops, lights, fridge/freezer, unlimited showers, RIB with decent outboard.... on a yacht that costs far less than the smallest flat you could buy in the UK (we don't have a house, we live on our yacht). Who are you to tell me that we are missing "the point"?
What does need to be asked in this thread is whether people should have the freedom to sail their boats into crowded waters and go to sleep without keeping a proper watch. Not only could they be killed, but so could others either as a result of a collision or lives lost in trying to rescue the lone yachtsman. And spare a thought for the poor OOW on a ferry or other commercial ship who might end up in the dock on a manslaughter charge because some BF didn't want to use much electricity and decided to sail his boat without proper lighting, radar or adequate crew to stand a watch. Now that's a point seriously worthy of consideration for many of us.
"Total load of CR*P", indeed!
captainslarty
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oooo, now Bill, u are really throwing your dummy out.. and sooo wrong..... no paid passage.. just us . Jayne n me.
We paid a guy (Ben Bowen.. I can give you his phone number if you need to check, or need his help?) for a week to sail on the shake down cruise with the boat at first launch (Hamble to Scillies).... so, wrong again... and we had radar - it took Jayne about 10 mins to work out how to use it properly... and, due to experience, had a decent enough powerplant on board to run it all.... and the wherewithall to fix it if problems. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
and no mention of 5 years up a river... I know you seem to be trying to stress your "experience" , but.. you stress too much Sir..
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lots of pent up anger in you Bill...
We paid a guy (Ben Bowen.. I can give you his phone number if you need to check, or need his help?) for a week to sail on the shake down cruise with the boat at first launch (Hamble to Scillies).... so, wrong again... and we had radar - it took Jayne about 10 mins to work out how to use it properly... and, due to experience, had a decent enough powerplant on board to run it all.... and the wherewithall to fix it if problems. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
and no mention of 5 years up a river... I know you seem to be trying to stress your "experience" , but.. you stress too much Sir..
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lots of pent up anger in you Bill...
nickrj
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So, erm, anyway... Star Trek... Radar... Kettles. All I posted about were Radar Detectors! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This thread is going nowhere, and all I'm interested in is sailing. As for 20minute watches, yes, it is possible, I've done it and it works. It can be argued from many points whether 20minutes is enough or not, but it is the risk factor which a number of singlehanders use: 20minutes is often the 'norm' for polyphasic sleep watches. As for it being legal, no, singlehanding is actually not legal. Everyone should know that legally there should always be a human eye on watch at all times. We all know that doesn't happen, but yes, technically, singlehanding is illegal, and there has been much debate on the topic already.
While all this forum nonsense is going on, I'll just mention that I can't afford any of this, so I'll hopefully be out sailing next week to Lisbon, and I sincerely hope this thread disintegrates in my absence! (But thank you for the reports from people on Radar Detection).
Oh, and Lemain, singlehanders have been out sailing safely for many, many years without anything but a hull and sails. I understand your argument, but it's boring, because you can say the same thing about any scenario. All sailing can cause the above accidents, and by and large, I think you'll find more dangerous rescues have been carried out on coastal waters by crewed boats running out of diesel. How about we start a 'larger diesel tank responsibility thread' while we're at it? Don't mean to be snarky, but do some historical reading on singlehanding.
This thread is going nowhere, and all I'm interested in is sailing. As for 20minute watches, yes, it is possible, I've done it and it works. It can be argued from many points whether 20minutes is enough or not, but it is the risk factor which a number of singlehanders use: 20minutes is often the 'norm' for polyphasic sleep watches. As for it being legal, no, singlehanding is actually not legal. Everyone should know that legally there should always be a human eye on watch at all times. We all know that doesn't happen, but yes, technically, singlehanding is illegal, and there has been much debate on the topic already.
While all this forum nonsense is going on, I'll just mention that I can't afford any of this, so I'll hopefully be out sailing next week to Lisbon, and I sincerely hope this thread disintegrates in my absence! (But thank you for the reports from people on Radar Detection).
Oh, and Lemain, singlehanders have been out sailing safely for many, many years without anything but a hull and sails. I understand your argument, but it's boring, because you can say the same thing about any scenario. All sailing can cause the above accidents, and by and large, I think you'll find more dangerous rescues have been carried out on coastal waters by crewed boats running out of diesel. How about we start a 'larger diesel tank responsibility thread' while we're at it? Don't mean to be snarky, but do some historical reading on singlehanding.
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Oh, and Lemain, singlehanders have been out sailing safely for many, many years without anything but a hull and sails. I understand your argument, but it's boring, because you can say the same thing about any scenario.
[/ QUOTE ]You were asking about Radar detectors and a fair bit of comment has been made. Naturally, as threads do, this has digressed into other anti-collision aids such as radar and AIS. Threads do drift, they are not like some kind of private tutorial, you can't expect to keep control of it after you've asked a question. You don't 'own' the thread or the question.
You might consider it 'boring' but I think it's essential to have a reminder that there are real risks to the single-hander and other 'innocent' people who have a right to presume that those in charge of a vessel keep a proper lookout and carry proper lights. If you can overcome your boredom for the few minutes it'll take you to consider the implications then that's all anyone can hope for, I suppose.
As for not being able to afford electronics to reduce the risks of not keeping a proper watch, is that a fair argument? I don't know, I really don't. I'm all for keeping it legal for anyone to sail round the world in an unmarked, unlit bathtub if they so please, as long as we don't get so many bathtubs that they pose, collectively, a threat to the safety of others. Where should the line be drawn when it comes to single-handing and having no lookout for long periods? Cost? "I can't afford the new batteries needed to keep the nav lights burning"? "I can't afford the latest gyro-stabilised MARP radar with integrated plotter and AIS"? Does a line needs to be drawn? If so, where? Should there be an international signal for 'skipper asleep'?
Maybe that's a question for another thread?
Oh, and Lemain, singlehanders have been out sailing safely for many, many years without anything but a hull and sails. I understand your argument, but it's boring, because you can say the same thing about any scenario.
[/ QUOTE ]You were asking about Radar detectors and a fair bit of comment has been made. Naturally, as threads do, this has digressed into other anti-collision aids such as radar and AIS. Threads do drift, they are not like some kind of private tutorial, you can't expect to keep control of it after you've asked a question. You don't 'own' the thread or the question.
You might consider it 'boring' but I think it's essential to have a reminder that there are real risks to the single-hander and other 'innocent' people who have a right to presume that those in charge of a vessel keep a proper lookout and carry proper lights. If you can overcome your boredom for the few minutes it'll take you to consider the implications then that's all anyone can hope for, I suppose.
As for not being able to afford electronics to reduce the risks of not keeping a proper watch, is that a fair argument? I don't know, I really don't. I'm all for keeping it legal for anyone to sail round the world in an unmarked, unlit bathtub if they so please, as long as we don't get so many bathtubs that they pose, collectively, a threat to the safety of others. Where should the line be drawn when it comes to single-handing and having no lookout for long periods? Cost? "I can't afford the new batteries needed to keep the nav lights burning"? "I can't afford the latest gyro-stabilised MARP radar with integrated plotter and AIS"? Does a line needs to be drawn? If so, where? Should there be an international signal for 'skipper asleep'?
Maybe that's a question for another thread?
FAITIRA
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Give up mate, I have,they want 100% no risks surburbia, all mod conns existence, I think you and I are on a totally different wavelength they we never understand!
Have a good Singlehanded trip, maybe the happiest month of my life was Tortola to Kinsale, great experince, enjoy it. Bill.
Have a good Singlehanded trip, maybe the happiest month of my life was Tortola to Kinsale, great experince, enjoy it. Bill.
nickrj
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Of course threads change and mutate, I never claimed to 'own' the thread. I'm just saying, it's completely degraded from the initial topic, that's all. It's become a heated and useless argument because everyone thinks they're right.
I don't need to be reminded about the danger of singlehanding. I'm very well aware of the dangers, and I try my best to stay alive through absolute cowardice and good planning. If, in the unfortunate case that I am run down, then it was a calculated risk I was well aware of, and I should sincerely hope no 'innocent' bystanders were hurt because of it.
Anyway, I'm not into Internet slinging matches, they're cowardly and pointless, so I'm just going to bow out of this one. None of us are right or wrong, so, why bother? Just go sailing.
Nick.
(P.S My tri-light is an LED, and is turned on as it should be)
I don't need to be reminded about the danger of singlehanding. I'm very well aware of the dangers, and I try my best to stay alive through absolute cowardice and good planning. If, in the unfortunate case that I am run down, then it was a calculated risk I was well aware of, and I should sincerely hope no 'innocent' bystanders were hurt because of it.
Anyway, I'm not into Internet slinging matches, they're cowardly and pointless, so I'm just going to bow out of this one. None of us are right or wrong, so, why bother? Just go sailing.
Nick.
(P.S My tri-light is an LED, and is turned on as it should be)
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I don't need to be reminded about the danger of singlehanding. I'm very well aware of the dangers, and I try my best to stay alive through absolute cowardice and good planning. If, in the unfortunate case that I am run down, then it was a calculated risk I was well aware of, and I should sincerely hope no 'innocent' bystanders were hurt because of it.
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I think you might be missing something. You are a vessel at sea under way and at times you will be the give way vessel. i.e. you could 'run down' someone else. OK, you are not likely to run down or sink the Queen Mary but the Queen Marys are not the only vessels at sea. Suppose another yacht sees your tricolour and you are the give way vessel, and you just carry straight on? The other yacht is forced to alter course. Is that acceptable to you?
I have no way of knowing how experienced you are but I continue to be amazed at how often I have to alter course as a duty on just about every passage I make, often miles offshore a long way from what you'd imagine to be the normal shipping routes. There is a excellent chance that there are other yachts on the same or reciprocal track to your own as well as a lot of crossing traffic. There is much more traffic out there than you'd think.
Have you never been surprised at how often you need to alter course for other vessels, given how large the ocean is?
I don't need to be reminded about the danger of singlehanding. I'm very well aware of the dangers, and I try my best to stay alive through absolute cowardice and good planning. If, in the unfortunate case that I am run down, then it was a calculated risk I was well aware of, and I should sincerely hope no 'innocent' bystanders were hurt because of it.
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I think you might be missing something. You are a vessel at sea under way and at times you will be the give way vessel. i.e. you could 'run down' someone else. OK, you are not likely to run down or sink the Queen Mary but the Queen Marys are not the only vessels at sea. Suppose another yacht sees your tricolour and you are the give way vessel, and you just carry straight on? The other yacht is forced to alter course. Is that acceptable to you?
I have no way of knowing how experienced you are but I continue to be amazed at how often I have to alter course as a duty on just about every passage I make, often miles offshore a long way from what you'd imagine to be the normal shipping routes. There is a excellent chance that there are other yachts on the same or reciprocal track to your own as well as a lot of crossing traffic. There is much more traffic out there than you'd think.
Have you never been surprised at how often you need to alter course for other vessels, given how large the ocean is?
nickrj
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Ugh, must we continue this? Have you no books onboard to keep you occupied? I'm really not interested in amusing pedants on such topics.
Yes, there is a chance I will plow another boat down, killing all on board. Yes, there is a chance SAR will be required to come to my aid, who in the process clip their wing on an 80ft wave, killing the crew, thereby causing an oil spill that chokes a dolphin.
If you happen to read about my death at sea, you can open another topic called 'Told you so', at which point you can extoll your superior oceanic philosophy to the masses. Until then, seriously man, give it a rest!
Don't make me move over to the Sailinganarchy forums!
nick.
P.S I'm not sure if you've realised, but I'm not the only person on the planet who sails in a boat alone. So, why don't you compile a list of all the singlehanders in the world, and write them a letter with your heartfelt concern? Why just pick on me?
Yes, there is a chance I will plow another boat down, killing all on board. Yes, there is a chance SAR will be required to come to my aid, who in the process clip their wing on an 80ft wave, killing the crew, thereby causing an oil spill that chokes a dolphin.
If you happen to read about my death at sea, you can open another topic called 'Told you so', at which point you can extoll your superior oceanic philosophy to the masses. Until then, seriously man, give it a rest!
Don't make me move over to the Sailinganarchy forums!
nick.
P.S I'm not sure if you've realised, but I'm not the only person on the planet who sails in a boat alone. So, why don't you compile a list of all the singlehanders in the world, and write them a letter with your heartfelt concern? Why just pick on me?
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Yes, there is a chance I will plow another boat down, killing all on board. ............P.S I'm not sure if you've realised, but I'm not the only person on the planet who sails in a boat alone. So, why don't you compile a list of all the singlehanders in the world, and write them a letter with your heartfelt concern? <span style="color:red">Why just pick on me?</span>
[/ QUOTE ] Well, after those little pearls of wisdom I decided to have a look at your website and found the answer.......
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Nick’s boating experience is as modest as his lifestyle. He has sailed primarily as just a ‘winch-jockey’ with no solo experience (yet). And he plans to sail half way around the world in less than 9 months time.
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Yes, there is a chance I will plow another boat down, killing all on board. ............P.S I'm not sure if you've realised, but I'm not the only person on the planet who sails in a boat alone. So, why don't you compile a list of all the singlehanders in the world, and write them a letter with your heartfelt concern? <span style="color:red">Why just pick on me?</span>
[/ QUOTE ] Well, after those little pearls of wisdom I decided to have a look at your website and found the answer.......
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Nick’s boating experience is as modest as his lifestyle. He has sailed primarily as just a ‘winch-jockey’ with no solo experience (yet). And he plans to sail half way around the world in less than 9 months time.
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