Question about trident and Achilles 24

I was resisisting it as the OP asked for a comparison between the Trident and Achilles, but seeing as people are mentioning other boats now...

The Anderson 22 has FAR more room than the Achilles - both for people and stowage, an outboard in a properly designed well, and sails very well indeed; lift keel, settles upright in mud where an Achilles triple keeler would usually be well heeled over, but the A22 heels over - a bit less than that - on firm seabeds.

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While I am not recommending the Achilles 24 for the OPs purpose; as an ex owner who cruised and raced one extensively across and around the N. Channel, I can reliably report that the statement above that 'the Achilles is ,a wet boat that goes through waves rather than over them,' is total ballox. Low freeboard does not have to mean a wet boat.
Not for the first time from this poster, unfortunately, why are folk with an agenda so keen to write off their own credibility?
 
I can only presume ' not for the first time with this poster ' refers to yourself.

The only one with an agenda here is Quandary whose attitude has been negative to me among others in the past; I have sailed an Achilles 24 into head seas, and chums of mine have done it a lot more in places like Cardiff Bay reporting the same, a long time ago; one only has to look at the design to see it will be a wet ride, unless one is so hopeless a sailor as be be going very slowly ! :)
 
Seajet said:
I can only presume ' not for the first time with this poster ' refers to yourself.

The only one with an agenda here is Quandary whose attitude has been negative to me among others in the past; I have sailed an Achilles 24 into head seas, and chums of mine have done it a lot more in places like Cardiff Bay reporting the same, a long time ago; one only has to look at the design to see it will be a wet ride, unless one is so hopeless a sailor as be be going very slowly ! :)
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Naaw, just to be clear, I was referring to you, Seajet and your eagerness to post, which requires you to slag off anything you know very little about. When I first encountered you here years before I ever started posting, I thought you might be knowledgeable but over time have lost all confidence because of your eagerness to pronounce on everything regardless of how little you know about it. I can understand the Anderson 22 obsession and your determination to promote it regardless of merit but why not try to help people by restricting your pronouncements to those that are close to accurate, in no time at all you might begin to gain credibility and people might even begin to take you seriously.
It would serve a useful purpose by helping those seeking information and while you might have less to say, you would be doing a bit of good?
Hardly likely to happen now I suppose?
 
To add some evidence to my refuting of the claim that the Achilles is 'wet'. When we were cruising ( in the days before boats had sprayhoods) we sailed her in the same way as when we raced her, though I suspect we used the spinnaker a bit less, my daughter was less than a year old when we got the boat and when underway was placed in a child's car seat strapped to the main cabin bulkhead in the cockpit facing aft at a height where where she could watch the waves, she could manage about 7-8hr. trips there, Larne to Campbeltown via Sanda Sound.
She would not have been there if there was any risk of her getting doused.
Oliver Lee who drew the Ajax was a respected designer then and Butler who adapted her had a good eye too, the only boats that could stay with her at the time were the Ruffian 23s, how things have changed in forty years. She cost me £1,800 ex Gower, hull, deck, keel fitted, complete with rig on a road trailer but bare inside, the month before VAT was introduced.
 
I hope it is obvious to any observer with a brain I was certainly not ' slagging off ' the Achilles 24 - and I do know something about them - unlike some though ' I cannae change the laws o' physics ' !

I didn't mention the Anderson even though it would be a contender, until others mentioned more designs not in the thread title.

I leave it to observers to judge, I'm outta here having said what useful points I can - carry on prattling as usual Quandary, what a shame you had to do this to a thread. :disgust:
 
I think the question of whether a particular boat is 'wet' or not is both subjective and comparative. We owned an Achilles 24 for 10 years, sailing offshore in 'brisk' weather sometimes. As the boat punched into waves, there was frequently spray over the foredeck; it was usually wet. Occasionally spray would reach the cockpit (we had no sprayhood). On rare occasions we shipped green water over the foredeck. The cockpit was never filled, though sometimes there was a litre or two swilling around in it, probably from the outboard well. Sailing to windward, the side decks were quite often immersed in gusts. If the winches got wet, it was time to reef. In comparison to our current, much bigger, boat, I would categorise the Achilles as 'wet'. But it isn't nearly so wet as the modern 'surfboards' that are constantly swept by waves requiring the crew to wear dry suits.
 
JBJag27 said:
Surely no-one would be willing to part with one of these majestic craft at all, let alone for the sort of money the OP was suggesting?
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Very true; and if a certain fantasist have a go at Seajet hero was to sail on or alongside one, he might learn the difference between ' through ' and over '. :encouragement:
 
Steve,

that one is a special fin keeler, they made 2 for Scottish racing owners - they did very well but that one needs some TLC - and while fine in Scottish waters - maybe - one couldn't give away a 22' fin keeler around here.

I take it you haven't been aboard an Achilles 24 then ?!

I am NOT knocking them, never have - they're fine boats, just accomodation is not one of the design's strong points. :)
 
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