Quarter Berths, huh! What are they good for?

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To paraphrase Edwin Starr.

Anyway, quarter berths. I am amply supplied with two of them on my 25' Westerly Tiger but, as I progress with the refit, I find myself sitting across the cabin looking at them, and considering their true purpose in life, rather than their theoretical one. For instance, when was the last time anyone used them to sleep in? More often you'll find sails, luggage and who knows what else stuffed down them. Surfboards, even! But not off-watch crew.

I'm alive to the need for a safe berth in a seaway, but I have a plan for that. My boat originally had a drop-down table that filled in the L-shaped dinette to form a double berth. I'm going to restore that capability, not by building a really big and awkward table, but by having two planks which lock together along their long side to form the infill, creating the double. But they will also lock end to end, forming a long, low bulkhead that I can fit along the length of the saloon berth, thus creating a safe berth that the occupant can't roll out of. If my description isn't clear, I might attempt a diagram...

Anyway, I think I can safely lose a quarter berth as a result. And this is good because I want extra storage space, and I would like to incorporate a dedicated nav station because using the table for this is just a pain.

I've seen a few ideas for chart tables that slide into the quarter berth, like this:

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The table slides back into the berth like a drawer. Obviously, this will reduce the height of the berth, and make access to the berth more difficult (a shallower slot to slide oneself into). Thus, it's unlikely it would ever be used as a berth - so why not bite the bullet and simply redesign it as an efficient storage space, instead?

And in case you're from Mars and never heard the music the thread title is spoofing:

 
On my GK24 one quarterberth is usual storage although nowhere near full but the other is a perfect seagoing berth as I like to keep the table where it is. Right by the hatch in case you are called but snug despite heeling and tacking.
 
Your GK24 basically has the same layout as my Tiger. I was going to keep the portside berth. I've seen many small boats that only have one by design - they often have a separate heads and more cockpit lockers, instead. That's another option I'm considering: whether I might install an extra locker in the cockpit if I lose the quarter berth. It would certainly be a good place for a life raft.
 
The last time I slept in a quarter berth it took me about 5 minutes to get out...

On my little boat the quarter berths are the best in the boat. Perhaps only partial quarter berths as you have about 1.5 metres or more of berth that is in the cabin. In other words feet only go a little way under the cockpit. I have seen many boats where cabin furniture cupboards benches etc mean that you have just a small gap to use to climb into quarter berth.
Of course much depends on how big the boat is but I am a bit sceptical of the use for the dedicated nav table. I would depend on maps clamped to a portable board for navigation I do. olewill
 
I was a fan of quarter berths until earlier this year when I crewed on a Sadler 26. I'm not tall, fat, or old, but getting out of the thing was really tough. If I was the other side of 40 I would have been looking for a different berth, I reckon.

The brave thing to do is to create a cockpit locker out of the space, but it's a fairly big job to cut a massive hole in the boat and make sure it seals well.
 
There are serious Health and safety concerns with quarter berths. It is essential there are no beans or eggs on board to reduce the risk of suffocation in it's airless confines
 
The quarterberth on our Rival is the most sought after berth. Slightly wider than any other, no need to rig lee cloths, out of everyone else's way, slightly longer than other berths, but handy to everything that's going on.
 
I recall that one was always used to keep the Avon in with its full length oars . It would appear that the proposed chart table modification would still retain that capability and removal of the berth cushion would also provide a few extra inches clearance in the tunnel plus storage space for the saloon table and its tubular legs and berth conversion in fill cushion and any folding bikes you carry It's debatable whether the work of installing a drawer chart table is worth the effort however that's rather dependent on time one has and costing of materials plus technical ability . If one coffin berth is retained then the benefits described by earlier posts remain in place .. I suspect sleeping more than 5 overnight for any length of time on a Tiger is not often undertaken but I suppose you might ask when you had more than 4 crew on board and if the hassle of in fill table creation is a serious downside in such circumstances. M yrecollection is replacement of legs was not unduly difficult to create the berth but rarely used anyway.
 
My I just say how smart the OP's Tiger looks? I do hope he shows us his cabin when his work is finished. I started cruising with the 22' Cirrus but it never looked anything like that, though it would have been very similar at one time. I used to sleep in the quarter berth. All I remember is that it always seemed cold, and the 2" mattress was extremely hard.
 
"What are they good for?"
As far as I'm aware they were just a selling point for the manufacturers, who could get away with claiming a 26 footer had six berths.
 
When I was a boy, our dogs loved the quarter-berth - they could retreat there when we were under way and let the world pass by! They just rolled over when we tacked, and if there was a lot of motion, they were nicely enclosed. We also used it to store sails.
 
My I just say how smart the OP's Tiger looks? I do hope he shows us his cabin when his work is finished. I started cruising with the 22' Cirrus but it never looked anything like that, though it would have been very similar at one time. I used to sleep in the quarter berth. All I remember is that it always seemed cold, and the 2" mattress was extremely hard.
I think the photo was from another vessel to illustrate proposal. I don't disagree with sentiments though on Westerly quarterberths and recall they attracted condensation ? However replacement of the cushions if not already completed would certainly be advisable if not a priority in absence of memory foam toppers.
 
I think the photo was from another vessel to illustrate proposal. I don't disagree with sentiments though on Westerly quarterberths and recall they attracted condensation ? However replacement of the cushions if not already completed would certainly be advisable if not a priority in absence of memory foam toppers.

Mine has a very old mattress and cover but never found condensation to be an issue in the quarter berth unless the whole boat was dripping inside. Forecabin double berth was more of an issue with 2 of us and the curtain down between fore and main cabin. But I've always kept stayed overnight in marinas in a small boat like a GK so the fan heater is my friend for keeping the boat warm and dry. If I stayed on board more often then I would buy a dehumidifier instead for those rainy nights when the hatches need to be kept shut.
 
"What are they good for?"
As far as I'm aware they were just a selling point for the manufacturers, who could get away with claiming a 26 footer had six berths.

This was also the case with my 26 ft trailer yacht! (GOP construction)
I decided to make it possible for 3 adults to be comfortable (or 4 if two of them wanted to share the foreberths.)

My 2016 winter project was conversion of one quarter berth to a cockpit locker using the link here as a guide.
http://atomvoyages.com/articles/improvement-projects/241-cockpitlocker-1.html
Sorry i have no photos of my own version with me.

Having had a summer season with it, I am very very pleased with the result.
I can hose out the cockpit and get zero water in the locker.
The locker is cavernous as it goes down to the hull rather than just to settee level. It stores 3 Jibs and 2 spinnakers as well as oars for the dinghy and the kedge anchor warp. Keeps a lot of clutter out of the accommodation space.

One extra thing i did do was to bulkhead the locker space from the cabin. In theory this limits the possibility of swamping if you take a wave with the locker open. There is a small limber hole so that the main bilge pump can deal with it
rather than needing a separate one.
If I get inspired, I will convert the other side as well one day.

John
 
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