Proud owner of a new yacht need some help please

Sail to keel balance

Searush. I hate to be argumentive however.... That never stopped anyone. Firstly CLR Centre of Lateral resistance. Lateral as in sideways pressure.
My opinion is that this theory of balance is much over rated. Most boats will sail happily under main sail alone or jib alone. One huge mismatch of CLR to CE.
Yes I know I have done exercises where using the balance of jib versus main provides the only steering to the boat on a reach but even then the turning force is not great.
I have seen a lot of boats where mast position is adjustable. The owners have not really come to any significant conclusions. Almost always they are trying to minimise weather helm coming from excessive heel.
So I would suggest that OP not worry too much about mast position. A comparison to other boats will show what is reasonable. Certainly for a fractional rig with small jib mast forward while a mast head rig big jib mast back. But even those only in the range of max 9 inches between the 2.
Boom length is dictated by mainsail size (that you get SH) clearance of backstay and again what is reasonable. Bigger = light wind performance shorter= better handling in stronger winds.
As already said performance is good for cruising as well as racing. It can mean you can conservatively reef and still go really well to windward. A poor performing boat will be a real pain if windward is the only way home and you have had enough sailing. (Hence my aversion to roll up jib reefing.)
olewill
 
While the OP has not answered the question directly (euphoria on fresh ownership) it seems that there are plans for the boat. ( I can't imagine any prof builder doing one from eye in these days) so the rig must be already designed. So he just needs to find the mast etc. at reasonable cost. The second hand options must be legion in the current climate.

On mast position. A local friend built a gaff cutter from slightly incomplete plans. He was experiencing lee helm. After a few sails with him, I suggested moving the mast. Back of envelope calculations said 2". And it worked.

Waiting for Forster's pics of the boat.
A
 
Been a bit slow trying to get pics, everytime I have been over I have forgotten and its normally too dark to get a pic. If I have time tommorow morning I will pop along and take some. Thanks all
 
I have been working off a dongle for past couple of weeks and dont think its worth risking trying to upload! I have taken a couple of not great photos... We have decided that I will have to hire a rather large crane to have it lifted over my freinds house out of his workshop in the garden and gently dump her on a trailer!
 
I have been working off a dongle for past couple of weeks and dont think its worth risking trying to upload! I have taken a couple of not great photos... We have decided that I will have to hire a rather large crane to have it lifted over my freinds house out of his workshop in the garden and gently dump her on a trailer!

Sounds like the bill to get your new "free" boat on the water is starting to mount up already.

Best of luck and look forward to the photos.
 
Fosters-from post 37 I take it that you've yet to build the dagger board?If so,don't forget that for a balanced boat,the sail area is proportional to the dagger board immersed area.It would make sense to look what size dagger board area you can get,without having the board unrealistically long,before deciding on a rig.Is the rudder made?If so you could build the dagger proportionatly,and then scale that to the rig required.
Cheers
 
As I have pointed out (several times, sigh) all these things should be specified in the design plans. Why reinvent the wheel?

It is extremely unlikely that the boat is being built without plans - even in the days when that was common (the Middle Ages) builders were always copying a previously succesful boat in their head - with maybe a few tweaks.

Building a boat without any attempt at planning/ design would be a very risky business - especially as this seems to be set up as a fast boat. Just get the plans off the builder (even if you only get them copied), he will have them & they will tell you all you need to know.
 
Searush-I could'nt agree more.But,what happens if the plans are not available?As is the case with my own boat?I have seen no reffrence from the OP concerning plans.If he can get them,then yes, his problems are over.You say in the last but one post '& then design a rig for that'.Why reinvent that wheel if he allready has the specifications on the plan?
Cheers
 
It is extremely unlikely that the boat is being built without plans - even in the days when that was common (the Middle Ages)

Still building fishing boats in the 1890s by half-model, weren't they? And I think a handful by eye.

builders were always copying a previously succesful boat in their head - with maybe a few tweaks.

But that's certainly true.

Pete
 
Prv-Yes you'r correct.I have a half model at home from the very late 1800's/early 1900's, that has been cut into slices to obtain the offsets required.I have strong reasons to believe that this was a locally(Porthmadoc) built wooden ship,that traded between the UK and the Baltic.I've even got the original build specification somewhere,signed by the owner and the builder over a postage stamp.
Cheers
 
Sorry for the mega slow response, yes dagger board has yet to be built, rudder is built. The original small drawings have vanished however we do have a copy, unfortunately its 20 ft long and 14ft wide (yes the drawing) before the build commenced my friend wanted full size plans so he drew them up! If I ever have space to unroll them I will get a few photos in. I know the photos of the yacht itself are not up yet.. been a bit busy and havent thought about it. Will get them up soon i promise! :) Gonna be a huge job to finish, but its a challenge and I like challenges, will see you all at the cherbourg meet this year on my own yacht ;) I do aim to have her complete and seaworthy by august at the latest, a tall order maybe but I think achievable. Searush, yes I will look into that and yep as you have gathered she was designed and built to race and win :p in the right hands she would absolutely fly. I was told that wooden racing yachts allways have the edge over GRP for the first 3 to 4 years before the moisture weighs them down to the same weight as GRP whether that is true or not im not sure, but thats what my freind the builder of this yacht said and he was racing from the moment he could walk if you know what I mean! I will continue to try and update as I progress, going to be a slow process for a month or two because I need to organise for her to be moved to my workshop and then I can tinker all day long with Asia and Pink floyd playing in the background!
 
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