PrincessYachts

[RasmusDK]

Hi

I just found out that Princess made a new website and saw that the P45 is no longer in production, but has not been replaced by something newer.

Can anyone here tell me if Princess has any plans of making a new model to fill the gap between the P42 and the P50?? I believe that the P42 have been in production for quite some time now - will that still be in production for 2009??

Maybe they move their range to a higher level with a P50 as the smallest, or???

 

[Nick_H]

Interesting question. The current P42 is still fairly new, only been around about 3 yrs or so, and is a good seller AFAIK, so I expect they'll keep selling them for a while yet. It is a bit odd that they didn't replace the 45 though, so you may be right that they intend to start the flybridge range at 50 feet eventually. It seems a lot of Princess development is on hard tops, so maybe they think that's a better otion sub 50'?

They also have new owners, so maybe there will be a chnage of direction?

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

yep 45 was not selling well, even after Mk.2 introduction a couple of years ago, new radar arch and glue windows
in fact it is so that a friend of mine got one for the price of 42

V series is going amazing, for each 2 V sold they sell 1 flybridge

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

P45 production stopped in the second half of 2007. The P42 is actually 44 feet long, although the P50 is a true 50 footer, so the range gap between them is not as great as it first seems.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[volvopaul]

I have always thought the 45 and the phantom 46 a bit odd as the 3rd cabin is a bit of a waste, in the old days you got a much larger 3rd cabin or very useful dinette that you could still sleep on, the 3rd cabin on these later boats is a bit like being in a coffin, unless its for the kids its a bit of a waste.

So the 50 is the answer as its beam allows for 2 berths side by side, probably why it didnt sell well.

There is a cheap p45 at Shamrock quay, though no doubt there will be a lot of cheap boats in the near future, though no one is actually advertising cheap newer boats yet.

I was looking at Essex BY stock and found an old Princess 435 for under 60k with some damage and also a Humber 38 for around 45k, both under offer now, but i spoke to a dealer who stated that boats built in the 80s are now really taking a hit on prices and will continue to drop, frighteneing I thought as there are a lot of good boats out there that were built in circa 80s that still look good today and offer more accomodation for the money than many newer models from the same marque.

 

[RasmusDK]

Thank you for your replys all.

I was just through Princess' website and found out that the P42 was launched at Southampton in 2003 along with the P57. - I believed it had been around since 00/01... - my mistake.

I think it is interesting that they are selling that many from the V series. Considering the environment in England and Scandinavia (I know they are selling alot to especially Norway) i thought the primary focus would be on the flybridge range.

Can any of you specify why the V series are so appealing to so many people? - I do not understand this new V42/V45/V48 - what is the difference between these three models, and why did they stop the V46 so quickly??

Ive seen there is some used V45 for sale at Princess.co.uk for what i think a very cheap price considering their age?? Is that correct or are these boats simply cheaper from new than the previous models?... On the other hand theres alot of V48 for sale which seems just as good, but maybe im just not informed of the new changes...

 

[Nick_H]

I think the V46 became the V48, same boat.

Actually I think hard tops are best suited to Northern European climates, the occupants get some open feeling, but with enough protection from the cold wind at 30 knots. For most of the year here its too cold on the flybridge, or at the back end of an open boat.

In the med you want open sides and a covered top, so you get lots of breeze but are protected from the sun, so a flybridge or open boat with a bimini is ideal. A hardtop has closed sides and an open top, completely the opposite of what you want.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

The difference between the new V42 and the V45 is a bit hard to quantify (apart from the difference in length - the 42 is 44ft, and the 45 is 47ft) because Princess won't let anyone see the new V42 yet. Spec-wise they look very similar. The V48 is an older design, and is on shafts; the V42 and V45 are both outdrives.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Agree with that. I don't understand the appeal of hardtops at all in the Med. It must be stifling under the hardtop without a/c and you'll get fried if you open the roof. All the same there are plenty about in the Med and I can only think that it's style related thing. In N Europe, I can see that they make more sense although I still think a flybridge is the best of both worlds

 

[DavidJ]

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In the med you want open sides and a covered top, so you get lots of breeze but are protected from the sun, so a flybridge or open boat with a bimini is ideal. A hardtop has closed sides and an open top, completely the opposite of what you want.

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My thoughts exactly, however most manufacturers seem to be going over to hardtops and in a couple of years the only true sports will be secondhand ones. I think canvas tops with plastic windows, zips and poppers are a bit crude and I await an innovation which allows me to go from enclosed to open with sun protection above at the push of a button.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

not really Deleted User
the hardtop in the med makes more sense,
- first of all you have a shady area during helming
- under the shade in the HT at anchor its always cool, now if it is 35 Celcuis plus it want be cool but it will be worse with the canopies
- it is more silent during helming with head wind, not canpies battling with the wind
- last once you are finished you just close the ht and voila you can go home

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

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In the med you want open sides and a covered top, so you get lots of breeze but are protected from the sun, so a flybridge or open boat with a bimini is ideal. A hardtop has closed sides and an open top, completely the opposite of what you want.

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My thoughts exactly, however most manufacturers seem to be going over to hardtops and in a couple of years the only true sports will be secondhand ones. I think canvas tops with plastic windows, zips and poppers are a bit crude and I await an innovation which allows me to go from enclosed to open with sun protection above at the push of a button.

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there is already a few with this option
Baia One
Sarnico Spider
Itama Forty and Fifty Five
and the Riva Rivarama
and also some picnice boats in the market

old Riva 59 Mercurius had also this option with the canopy coming from the radar arch, now it has been stopped in production 2 years ago

yep the future will be hard top or a pure classic like the Itama or Magnum etc

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this, poweryacht. Any boat can have a shaded area when helming, you don't need a HT, just a bimini. IMHO, a canvas top is better for the Med because you can open the sides and still keep the top in place allowing air to circulate underneath. With a HT, if you open the roof to let air in, you get burnt which leaves just a couple of small side windows to let air in. As for being quieter a lot of HT boats suffer from noise due to reflection from the hardtop and vibration of the structure
In any case, IMHO, if you're going to have a hardtop, you might as well stick some chairs and steering wheel on top /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

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I await an innovation which allows me to go from enclosed to open with sun protection above at the push of a button.

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Fingers crossed I'll have a post up later this afternoon about a sea trial we did Saturday before last on a boat that does exactly this.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[Powersalt]

The p45 ended production last year to make way for the very popular p50 which had a large order book. I am told there are plans to launch a new p45 in 2 years time. So 2009 should see more details, and at the moment all we know is that it will have the same lines as the p50.