ari
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You'd rather hope that a near 90ft boat could do everything that an 80ft boat can do!
Princess X80. Have they just won motor boats?
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You'd rather hope that a near 90ft boat could do everything that an 80ft boat can do!
ari
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How many proper flybridge boats (not sportscruisers with a mini fly like an S66) under 90ft can you name that have a proper tender garage?
Parabolica
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I have just taken the full tour with Nick B and i have to say, yes the lack of a tender garage seems to be an obvious oversight however, if you ignore the exterior styling then the space in this boat is absolutely amazing and the interior styling and finish, both artisanal and sublime. all this in an 80’ yacht is amazing and looking at the styling, i suspect the target market for these yachts is not us, or even the med, but probably the growing markets of the far east. of course at $8.5m you pay for every bit of the space you are getting although if volume and space is required but marina infrastructure for yachts beyond 80’ is not there then PYL have a win win On their hands. time will tell.
For me though, the stand out of this yacht is the interior which is exemplary.
For me though, the stand out of this yacht is the interior which is exemplary.
ari
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Where would you put it? You'd need to completely lose any semblance of crew cabins and probably reconfigure the cockpit. You just don't see tender garages on flybridge cruisers under 90ft (as opposed to sports cruisers with mini flybridges like the Princess S78 that have huge sunbeds on the back).
The only one I have seen is on the Galeon 500 recently, but that was for a MiniJet, which seats 3 so wouldn't be an adequate tender for a boat that easily sleeps 10.
PowerYachtBlog
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I was seeing his Vlog and actually saw the space on the main deck as standard to the category. 24 meter motor yacht.
But videos can be misleading, so I cannot say beside what I saw on the small screen. I did not see the cabin part, and I am sure they are big.
Some comments where a bit over the top Complimentary....
A door by the galley? An old Canados 50 (50 as fifty footer) from the seventies had that. The open close galley feature is also something I have seen in yachts of similar size since the 90s if not before that.
MikesF Ferretti 630 had that and she is a 2006 nineteen meter yacht, with an astern galley, which closes and open all.
The glossy wood work is not my favorite nowadays but they said that you have some alternative options to that.
Hurricane
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I disagree entirely with that comment.
It is not only wrong but totally misleading.
It is all about the type of boat and the way that you use it.
I have said many times that you camp on a sports boat and live on a flybridge boat.
That in itself contradicts your statement.
I have just spent the last 10 days (in January) on our boat in Spain.
Too cold to do out side stuff but still "wall to wall" sunshine - 17 degrees during the daytime and zero degrees at night.
But we have really enjoyed this holiday.
Heating on overnight but shirtsleeves during the day.
The exterior space on our boat wasn't used - but we had lots of people on board inside.
As I say, it just depends on the type of boat you have and what you do.
Just the same as in the UK, especially during this time of the year.
During the summer, the converse happens, it is sometimes nice to get away from the heat inside in the air conditioning.
I feel very strongly about your misleading statement.
Portofino
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Here’s a couple of rivals and imho better looking .
Solar panels too built in .
First up the 80 a direct rival to the x80 ……note 1:25 Ari .
It’s about 3 mins
Then a even a 60 . To compliment a nice villa ashore …..the winter vacation place by the sea .Log fires n all that when it 0 * C .Hurricane.
Another 3 mins or so .
Ari ….go to 1:21 .
As PYB says the Italians have been doing this sq M outside space thing for a while .
Arcadia ^^ @ Genoa. My pic btw .
SL 76 ? Also @ Genoa the beach area is a bit more innovative than the PY offerings .
Folks need to get out more away from the little island and look around .
Solar panels too built in .
First up the 80 a direct rival to the x80 ……note 1:25 Ari .
It’s about 3 mins
Then a even a 60 . To compliment a nice villa ashore …..the winter vacation place by the sea .Log fires n all that when it 0 * C .Hurricane.
Another 3 mins or so .
Ari ….go to 1:21 .
As PYB says the Italians have been doing this sq M outside space thing for a while .
Arcadia ^^ @ Genoa. My pic btw .
SL 76 ? Also @ Genoa the beach area is a bit more innovative than the PY offerings .
Folks need to get out more away from the little island and look around .
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henryf
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When seen in the flesh the internal space really is spectacular. I also looked at the video thinking everywhere looked a bit tight, trust me when you're in there it isn't. I really hope you get the chance to tour one at some point. As for Nick's language let's not be too hard on the guy. By his own admission he blags his way on board and opens a load of cupboards so we can be nosey. He is a down to earth feet on the ground chap with a modest boat of his own so possibly blinded by the light a little. Personally I wouldn't want him or his videos any other way.
That said when you combine all the elements you genuinely have to keep pinching yourself and remembering that you are "only" on an 80 footer. It isn't a super yacht. Some other boats may have individual scaled down elements, few if any the whole compliment. Take that side door in the forward cabin, it is as big as many cockpit patio doors when most builders would have made do with a smaller affair along the lines of your typical lower helm to side deck opening.
henryf
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At the risk of being patronised by you again I really can't see what relevance these boats have to a Princess X80.
All the photos you posted are essential of one trick ponies, a massive open space taking up half the boat or more and tiny interior accommodation as a result. If I wanted a super yacht supply vessel to carry my toys round and house the crew they might do the job all be it at a price but when I want to stay air conditioned in the blazing sun, warm in the cold and avoid mosquitos and other nasty creatures of an evening big open decks aren't for me.
For you a floating patio works, for me it doesn't. As mentioned previously I'm also not chasing the best looking boat in my patch of ocean, for me it's about the functional accommodation. How great to be able to offer someone the X80's main deck forward cabin or the lower deck master and still have a master suite for myself. With this supposed second cabin your are spoiling me Mr President...... (A reference to the Ferrero Rocher chocolate TV adverts shown on our little Island).
Portofino
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Multi answer post .
-Ari tender garage Q
- Your amazement at PY s use of space .
- confirmation of PYBs theme the Italians do it better and sooner
- level of fit out and further sophistication about …..Solar , side doors for a tender and with the SL SX 76 the beach club thingy with its various Besenzoni almost the full catalogue of gizmos .
- Think you find the A 80 XL s master cabin bigger than the X80s
- A 80 XL s closed space too enclosed bridge etc for your mozzi / AC point.
That was relevance .Sorry you missed it .
Let me try car sales .The Princess x80 to me is the Skoda Yeti to the Porsche Mecan .
If you have never seen / heard of the Mecan or the indeed the other 4x4 s in the same VAG then sure at first sight do rave about it .But ps don’t dismiss others who gently introduce a Mecan , Cayenne the Audi Q s , Bentayga and Uris .
There presence does not diminish the Yeti they compliment it .
Nice as it is the Yeti or x80 there’s a pecking order and plenty better .Sure they come at a price .
Theres nothing wrong per se with either at there price points .
It’s a bit different I know for the med boys we are looking through different eyes esp thoses based in Italy / SoF / Balearics.
But most x80s will not be for home consumption…..based in U.K. waters . So Petems “ open space - open air “ points stands .
A lot of owners are seasonal and have land base villas too .
The yacht isn’t a floating house esp in the off seasons .
Not saying a few on here can’t use them as winter Hol residences they do but are in a minority .
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Richard.C
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I think the SL is a nice looking yacht, the SL88 is moored opposite me in Lymington so I get to look at it often. The "beach club" space is large though and I can't help feel is completely wasted in the UK, I would certainly trade more internal accommodation for less "beach club".
I better start buying lottery tickets as that's the only way I'll find myself in this category of yachting.
petem
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Mike, I think you're in the minority though. Go to a typical med marina this time of year and there will be nobody on board any of the boats. Take Cala D'Or for example, it's like a ghost town out of season. I fully accept that San Carles has a bit of an expat community with a few liveaboards which makes is a little unusual for the Med.
Where we are, for the peak months people come to stay on their villas and boats. They have all of their meals outside and spend little time indoors. Also, If you take a typical anchorage, everyone is outside having fun. I rarely see anyone spending any significant time indoors.
As for sports boats versus flybridges, of course I accept there's an element of camping on our boat. But smaller boats have advantages too. Keeping our boat clean and well maintained isn't expensive or onerous and preparing it for sea is a 10 minute job. We're therefore we're far more likely to go out for the day than we would if we owned a big boat.
I remember that wise soul @MapisM once saying that people should look for the smallest boat that will meet their needs, not the largest.
I know that JFM (one of the few people I know who could afford one) has a vey dim view on these X series type boats. He's said before that optimising outside space is more important than maximising indoor space for him.
I fully accept that I'm making generalisations and it's all "horses for courses". Everyone has different budgets and priorities.
petem
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Keep going @Portofino, I think you're winning the argument !
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petem
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Fire99
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I'm going to chime in a little more on this one. I watched the video from the Aquaholic chap and it was interesting, though I'd be amazed if he ever walked around a boat and was disappointed.. On a philosophical point it's funny how 80ft is now referred to as "only an 80ft boat". Coming from an owner of a boat that totals just over 50ft, 80 is a big girl. But in fairness to Aquaholic, he does kinda have a point. There is a LOT of space on that boat that does indeed give some credit to the 'only 80ft' stance.
I know it's a slightly different boat but after prodding around a new Sunseeker Manhattan recently and having to shimmy along the side decks which are 20 miles from the sea and having guardrails that were just a bit too uncomfortably wobbly, this Princess looks ready for business. The slots in the drawers for the knives and forks is a nice touch..
The crew cabins still make me laugh. In these times of equality and alleged 'fairness', even on a boat as new and impressive as the X80, the crew quarters still strike me a little of "Don't forget lads... You're only crew!". Admittedly a million miles better than a 90s Princess I once viewed, but that's not saying much..
The single semi-enclosed helm is an interesting one. I guess it depends if you only want to be ferried around in luxury or you want to do the captaining. If I want to be spinning the turny thing and pulling the 'sticks', I'd like the option to be completely out in the sunshine. Even on something of that size. If I wanted (and was in that position) to be ferried around by another captain, then I'd possibly be more inclined to go for something even more opulent and not care about the practical concerns, since that would be someone else's concern.
The styling is still jarring and the owners spec of a hot tub perched quite near the bow is a curious (and slightly hand-wavey) choice for me.
That said, you certainly get the feel that the Princess is intended for work and not just a Monte Carlo 'show home'.
I know it's a slightly different boat but after prodding around a new Sunseeker Manhattan recently and having to shimmy along the side decks which are 20 miles from the sea and having guardrails that were just a bit too uncomfortably wobbly, this Princess looks ready for business. The slots in the drawers for the knives and forks is a nice touch..
The crew cabins still make me laugh. In these times of equality and alleged 'fairness', even on a boat as new and impressive as the X80, the crew quarters still strike me a little of "Don't forget lads... You're only crew!". Admittedly a million miles better than a 90s Princess I once viewed, but that's not saying much..
The single semi-enclosed helm is an interesting one. I guess it depends if you only want to be ferried around in luxury or you want to do the captaining. If I want to be spinning the turny thing and pulling the 'sticks', I'd like the option to be completely out in the sunshine. Even on something of that size. If I wanted (and was in that position) to be ferried around by another captain, then I'd possibly be more inclined to go for something even more opulent and not care about the practical concerns, since that would be someone else's concern.
The styling is still jarring and the owners spec of a hot tub perched quite near the bow is a curious (and slightly hand-wavey) choice for me.
That said, you certainly get the feel that the Princess is intended for work and not just a Monte Carlo 'show home'.
PowerYachtBlog
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Thinking about this, I think the X80 or X95 is not really competing with the SX or SL lines. The SL is your traditional MY, more in competition to the Princess Yachts line then the X-series.
The SX is kinda something of its own, with its competitor today being the Arcadia Sherpa 80XL, and the Extra Loft by ISA Yachts - Palumbo.
A new competitor but its kinda of hybrid is also the Sunseeker Ocean. I think Sunseeker really nailed it with the Ocean, giving volume and impressive aft deck beach area of sorts, to compete with the SX and the rest.
The X-series I think is more a competitor the Ferretti CustomLine Navetta, Arcadia A85, and Extra Triplex line.
It is possible with it they are also targeting the likes of Azimut Magellano 25 and 30 Metri, and Sanlorenzo SD range.
The SX is kinda something of its own, with its competitor today being the Arcadia Sherpa 80XL, and the Extra Loft by ISA Yachts - Palumbo.
A new competitor but its kinda of hybrid is also the Sunseeker Ocean. I think Sunseeker really nailed it with the Ocean, giving volume and impressive aft deck beach area of sorts, to compete with the SX and the rest.
The X-series I think is more a competitor the Ferretti CustomLine Navetta, Arcadia A85, and Extra Triplex line.
It is possible with it they are also targeting the likes of Azimut Magellano 25 and 30 Metri, and Sanlorenzo SD range.
ari
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Here’s a couple of rivals and imho better looking .
Solar panels too built in .
First up the 80 a direct rival to the x80 ……note 1:25 Ari .
It’s about 3 mins
Then a even a 60 . To compliment a nice villa ashore …..the winter vacation place by the sea .Log fires n all that when it 0 * C .Hurricane.
Another 3 mins or so .
Ari ….go to 1:21 .
As PYB says the Italians have been doing this sq M outside space thing for a while .
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Arcadia ^^ @ Genoa. My pic btw .
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SL 76 ? Also @ Genoa the beach area is a bit more innovative than the PY offerings .
Folks need to get out more away from the little island and look around .
Do you really see those boats as even remotely in the same market as the Princess X80?
Curious.
Portofino
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Odd what blokes covert isn’t it ?
Remember in the 90 s seeing theses on top of cars?
Picture the scene at traffic queues as you and the guy in the other lane lepfrogs you, and your car is without the then sat nav .
This- fast fwds 25y the boys toys have got a tad more expensive.How ever you don’t want another deja vue cocking the spec up .You have grown up and learnt a thing or two ?
Sat in a marina on a x80 from PY with your tender sat presumably on the bathing platforms like a cooking 50 ftr .
While your neighbours boat ( identical like for like size ) has one of these .Arcadia 80 XL
Or every time @ a nice anchorage in a Sod’s law kinda way you end up facing a side door on another boat .
Any red blooded bloke on here tell me it would’t chew them up I do not believe you !
Remember in the 90 s seeing theses on top of cars?
Picture the scene at traffic queues as you and the guy in the other lane lepfrogs you, and your car is without the then sat nav .
This- fast fwds 25y the boys toys have got a tad more expensive.How ever you don’t want another deja vue cocking the spec up .You have grown up and learnt a thing or two ?
Sat in a marina on a x80 from PY with your tender sat presumably on the bathing platforms like a cooking 50 ftr .
While your neighbours boat ( identical like for like size ) has one of these .Arcadia 80 XL
Or every time @ a nice anchorage in a Sod’s law kinda way you end up facing a side door on another boat .
Any red blooded bloke on here tell me it would’t chew them up I do not believe you !
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julians
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depends what you're trading off, in order to get a tender garage like that - I presume the arcadia is not a tardis with infinite interior space , so the princess has some other use for that bit of space, might be a bigger guest cabin or something ( I have no idea), its all about trade offs though, what suits one person may not suit another. You'd obviously favour the tender garage, henry would rather have the space for a cabin (or somtehing)
More choice is always a good thing though .
I dont tend to get jealous about what other people have though, or the choices they have made. I make my choices and I'm happy with them. There's always someone with a better toy than you, or a toy thats better in some way, but worse in others. and conversely what you have is invariably better than what someone else has. I dont compete with anyone.
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hinch
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Porto why do you think that everything the Italians produce is the best thing in the world? Being Italian I can fully confirm their styling is terrible, their sense of taste is terrible for decoration etc and their workmanship is shoddy. How have you got so far removed from reality? Next thing you'll be telling us that sports fishers are a great idea/design 