petem
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Yep ?!
Princess X80. Have they just won motor boats?
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Hurricane
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Actually, I quite like the X80, although it probably isn't something I wouldn't buy.
I'm sure it would be luxury at anchor.
I'm sure it would be luxury at anchor.
Parabolica
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I must have missed you having that one Chris.
so, was it a painful experience come selling it, enough to convince you that you could in fact afford a boat after all, or not so bad in the end ?
Chris H
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henryf
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Of course the irony of all this discussion is that Princess won not one but TWO of the categories in the most recent “Düsseldorf” Motor Boat awards. See sticky at the top of this Forum……
Portofino
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Croissete Cannes blends in there .Actually as said technically on paper its not a bad car .
But with yachts the same turn your head and look back factor applies .
Still think it ( boat ) has to be up there aesthetically.
Not sure about this one it’s got that “Chris Bangle effect “ and has a presence on the water .It’s selling .
Or a classic San Lorenzo .It’s been up dated as the years roll by with a HT and fold down balconies , fwd seating / table and what ever the latest bells n whistles in the market dictate .There will be an 80 ish to compete with this Priny as well .
Timeless designed and for the £ conscious on here “ price of everything and value of nothing “ kinda guys actually costs more fwiw ?
Buts as said money never buys taste .
Edit - Btw the owner of the P140 parks his yellow Uris by it .
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Chris H
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It’s Monaco…..
I’m still not sure about the bow design on the 140, not that it would matter to Pershing !
On these X model Princess’s I just couldn’t buy anything so ugly, same with the new type of bow on smaller boats, not sure what it’s called but it points the wrong way…….but I’m just old and prefer most yacht designs, inside and out, from 2000 - 2015, before design went all glass sides and IKEA interiors.
PowerYachtBlog
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Some nice new designed yachts in similar dimensions are the following all IMO:
- Azimut 25 or new 30 Magellano.
- anything by CDM
- Sunseeker 90 Ocean (I think SS have a nice balance with this one)
- nearly anything by Sanlorenzo (but I would never go for its new semi widebody to port side SL designs)
- Azimut 25 or new 30 Magellano.
- anything by CDM
- Sunseeker 90 Ocean (I think SS have a nice balance with this one)
- nearly anything by Sanlorenzo (but I would never go for its new semi widebody to port side SL designs)
henryf
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I'm not sure about that Pershing 140 looks wise and what possible relevance does it have to the Princess X80?
Are you seriously suggesting that Pershing are pushing them out the factory gates for £4-5 million? Whenever I've looked at a Pershing it was eye wateringly expensive compared to my usual fodder. You've done this before, taken a thread way off track by comparing Apples with Asteroids.
Looking at this image from Princess the X80 is actually a lot more traditional in looks when compared to the X95. My phone images at the show probably distort things a bit.
Are you seriously suggesting that Pershing are pushing them out the factory gates for £4-5 million? Whenever I've looked at a Pershing it was eye wateringly expensive compared to my usual fodder. You've done this before, taken a thread way off track by comparing Apples with Asteroids.
Looking at this image from Princess the X80 is actually a lot more traditional in looks when compared to the X95. My phone images at the show probably distort things a bit.
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julians
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it does look better from that angle, but that sloping 'roofline' on the flybridge is pretty hideous, it doesnt seem to fit in with the rest of the design of the boat at all.
Portofino
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For clarity …. Blimey I think most got it .
The “ Chris Bangle “ effect I wrote under the pic of the 140 .That’s my pic from my boat as the thing lives in my marina so I just used my own files .
Do you want me to further explain what we mean by the “ Chris Bangle effect “ clue BMW 5 series and Z gen 2 s ?
Thought you were a car guy ?
Well briefly they broke the mould and raised more than few eyebrows at launch .How ever fairly quickly the new design Dir was accepted.Seemed fugly like the x 80 at launch then kinda grew on folks .
The x 80 could well follow that trajectory.Who knows ?
Wish Prinny well and all that.
Thats the comparison the initial shock style of the thing .
I am not suggesting the P 140 is a competitor to the x80 .
PYB s put up the competition in # 48 .Hope you don’t mind me spelling that out ?
I think one solution is to show the dog Prinys x80 .If he barks it’s no good ? it’s a none goer .It’s no more or less logical as other method of liking it .As beauty is in the eye of the beholder .
This failed the dog test .
henryf
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I can live with it knowing how well the space works that it houses. It’s very much like the Panamera, once you know how it drives you see a sort of inner beauty. I liken it to how you view your own kids.
The top deck is so easy to envisage using. Forward section is a very functional bridge with a little seating area to keep the skipper company. That leads back to a seating area where you can chat, watch F1 on a Sunday and either keep in touch with the skipper or section yourself off. Further aft is a large al-fresco dining area, grill, bar, sun lounging. You can just imaging moving between the sun area and the covered seating. To a degree it’s form following function.
Having spent time on board it really was so easy to imagine moving my shorts & T-shirts and setting sail. Just need to work out where the treadmill and turbo trainer live….. The Les Mills fitness program already works onboard, we’ve tried it on the current tub
penfold
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That thing fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
hinch
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It's funny I love the X series designs all of them
Hurricane
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That term "Setting Sail" on a motor boat always amuses me!!
Parabolica
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A boat, much more than say a car is about the interior space and not exterior looks alone. I suspect however, that boating for many starts the other way around where the exterior styling is the initial “must have”.I can live with it knowing how well the space works that it houses. It’s very much like the Panamera, once you know how it drives you see a sort of inner beauty. I liken it to how you view your own kids.
The top deck is so easy to envisage using. Forward section is a very functional bridge with a little seating area to keep the skipper company. That leads back to a seating area where you can chat, watch F1 on a Sunday and either keep in touch with the skipper or section yourself off. Further aft is a large al-fresco dining area, grill, bar, sun lounging. You can just imaging moving between the sun area and the covered seating. To a degree it’s form following function.
Having spent time on board it really was so easy to imagine moving my shorts & T-shirts and setting sail. Just need to work out where the treadmill and turbo trainer live….. The Les Mills fitness program already works onboard, we’ve tried it on the current tub
I have known people start with the stylish med style boats and progress to trawler style instead to get more all year round cruising with lower running costs and better passage when the weather comes in.
With these X series boats i also do not like the exterior styling myself but can imagine that the class leading interior volumes as well as having the always beautifully crafted PY interiors, really would be hard to ignore when considering stepping up your boat to this sort of size, especially when considering the berthing options for your cruising too.
Considering it logically, when form clearly follows function here, i’m actually quite surprised we haven’t seen styling along these lines before now.
In due course we’ll all know whether PY were onto something ahead of the chasing pack or if they have actually made a wrong call. I hope the former of course as we all have choice a plenty if this isn’t for us.
henryf
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As I typed it I thought this isn’t right….
henryf
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I think this is a really interesting post. For me the boat is a tool not a work of art. Where can it take me, what experiences can we share together, how can it enhance my lifestyle.
I have never been boating in the Med and I wonder if that‘s why my views are so different to some on here. Is the Med more of a parade, a beauty pageant or possibly a show of financial muscle? My boating revolves round the practicalities of being well cared for on our travels. Yes, of course part of that pastoral care is having a pleasant environment but that’s the inside more than the outside. There is an element of pride when looking at your boat but pride in the same way you look at a child, you know the person and that influences your eye.
Even the cars I sell are shaped to a large extent from the inside out. I studied industrial design and then model making so appreciate the functionality and Porsches work really well. There’s a reason for everything. They are a bit odd, for a long time they were 1960’s technology in a 1980’s world and many people just don’t get them. I you like Jaguars you probably won’t like Porsches, certainly not older ones.
I don’t live in a house where all the neighbours compete with each other, the best car on the drive, the best front garden, the largest extension I live in the middle of a field. Even my dream boating scenario doesn’t involve competition, I want to be out in Thailand where a big white boat is so far removed from the world around it that people have no idea. They can tell you which long tail boat is better and how much they cost but have no idea at all when it comes to our stuff. What they do know though is people, relationships, how to appreciate their surroundings. Out there we all want to eat most nights, have a roof over our heads and enjoy family health.
Ask someone their dream boat and certainly here in the UK it will revolve around functionality and survival. Brands like Nordhavn, Flemming, Grand Banks. I see the X80 as being in that class. Maybe not quite as practical, there isn’t a workshop, there are more motors and bits of electronics than you strictly need and some of the surface finishes would be harder wearing in Formica but it’s got the passage making / live aboard potential.
Anyway, I thought you raised an interesting point.
julians
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I expect it varies from person to person, probably the same as in the uk, for some people it will be all about what image they want to project, for others it will just be a means to an end, ie somewhere warm, sunny , and mostly calm to go boating and get away from people. I fall into the latter category.
You definitely get a different type of boat that suits the UK, compared to the med though. in the UK there seems to be more of a tilt towards enclosed wheel house boats, whether that be fly bridge boats, or other styles of boats, but they have a sheltered place to drive from. For most pleasure boaters in the med , they will be boating in the warm summer months so dont need an enclosed cockpit/wheelhouse - in fact that would probably be a negative. A traditional flybridge is versatile and can cover both locations, allowing wind in the air when the weather is good, and sheltered helming when its not.
If I were boating in the uk I wouldnt choose the boat I have got in majorca, I'd probably get the enclosed cabin version - but then I probably wouldnt be boating at all if it had to be in the UK
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henryf
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I appreciate there is a difference in type of boat, however I try to sell the place Gosport will never compete on sunshine alone. But I think it’s more than that. British boaters are a more practical lot interested in boring things like the toilet or how the cooker converts into a card table. We are almost apologetic if we turn up in a place with the biggest boat.
Of course that sunny boating open top design does lend its self to sleek lines. The V class sports boats from Princess have always been their sexiest looking. Height is a passion killer when it comes to boat design in the same way rear seats ( with head room ) are to car design.
I’m also mindful of Cigarette style boats. Fine in the US or possibly even the Med where they turn heads and win admiring glances. Here in the UK we just wonder where they will get petrol and then contemplate the cost of a tank full before shaking our heads at the noise as it pootles through the 6 knot speed limit. Don’t even start me on their limited toilet provision…..
Of course that sunny boating open top design does lend its self to sleek lines. The V class sports boats from Princess have always been their sexiest looking. Height is a passion killer when it comes to boat design in the same way rear seats ( with head room ) are to car design.
I’m also mindful of Cigarette style boats. Fine in the US or possibly even the Med where they turn heads and win admiring glances. Here in the UK we just wonder where they will get petrol and then contemplate the cost of a tank full before shaking our heads at the noise as it pootles through the 6 knot speed limit. Don’t even start me on their limited toilet provision…..