Princess announce world premier for British Motor Yacht show

[henryf]

Just seen the Princess line up for the British Motor Yacht Show Swanwick and it features a world premier for the brand new P49 flybridge. Powered using the Volvo IPS system it is the first flybridge in the range to deviate from the more traditional shaft drive propulsion. With a promise of easier close quarters handling and improved economy the real question is what does IPS bring to the table when it comes to internal space. A sub 50 foot full beam owners cabin with 2 additional cabins, two seating areas, aft galley and lots of glass. It will be interesting to see how she feels in the flesh.

In addition to the P49 Princess are showing the P64 and P72 flybridge.

Sports boats include the V39, V48, V48 open, V52, V58, V58 open and V62S

The Sports bridge S72 will also be there.

An interesting line up in a relaxed environment which offers unrivaled access to the boats. Sunseeker will be there as will Fairline of course so easy comparison across brands.

Henry

 

[Anders_P42]

"the real question is what does IPS bring to the table when it comes to internal space"

And have they gained anything over a v-drive / shafts setup in terms of internal space?

No info on Volvo website yet on the IPS700 which is based on new D8 engine.

 

[henryf]

At this stage I think it's only fair to wait and judge the P49 on its own merit. Let's see what she looks like and what she's like to live with inside. I suspect the results will be impressive, Princess have done a pretty good job of late. I'm still wondering which internal organs Mrs Henryf wouldn't miss en-route to a 75 motor yacht

The IPS / shaft argument will rage on around us. Some builders such as Prestige have bet the house on IPS, Princess is still largely shaft driven with their flybridge range which starts at 43 feet. The Sports boats come in at under 40 feet so as you would expect feature more drive options.

Ask me what I think after my seventh beef Wellington amuse bouche a week on Saturday

I really like this show as you can wander round with no pressure and have a good natter, often with some quite senior members of the teams.

Henry

 

[jfm]

Henry is it definitely the 72 not 75 fly? Pity, but I guess that's all that is available. There is I think one stock 72 still in the system for sale so perhaps they are showing that in the hope of selling it. 75 is way nicer; 72 is not Princess's finest machine in this size category but it would be interesting if discounted enough

 

[henryf]

I popped into Swanwick last week whilst collecting life jackets and a life raft from being serviced. The 72 was there on site.

The 75 is indeed a great boat. We all have our pet areas where things are never perfect, on the 75 I struggled to find fault, certainly to my untrained eye anyway and ignoring minor easy to change owner specific things. The problem at the Singapore boat show where they had a stock 75 (the one we saw in London) was how to fulfill all the orders. I would be surprised if there was anything available for 2016 unless capacity at the factory has been increased.

The 72 has sold in strong numbers and you see plenty of them around. The 68 launched 18 months or so ago shares the same basic layout of the 75 with that mid boat staircase down to the owners cabin. Does there need to be a flybridge in between particularly with the S72 being available?

All pure dreaming of course for a simple country boy such as myself

Henry

 

[jfm]

I don't think there is one in between - 72 is being terminated now that 75 is in play, afaik. The 75 is loads loads better than the underwhelming 72. The 75 is all new; it isn't a rework on the 72's underwhelming hull.

I too struggled to find serious fault with the 75 apart from the disaster of a galley ( that won't feed the guests on board unless they eat just frozen pizza) but they said they re work it for some extra money.

 

[henryf]

I could introduce you to some wonderful fridge or freezer to oven pies. A drop of mash potato 'n gravy.

Robert c'est votre oncle.

I know your chefs are quite fussy

Joking aside it's the one thing we will struggle with as and when we change the 50. Full size fridge freezer, good storage including overhead, a work surface, access to everything. Ok, it's a boat so limited but once you put the cooking upstairs everything gets much smaller.

Didn't I read there was an option to make the 75 galley all enclosed or does that merely compound the situation?

The space to starboard as you go into the crew area on the 75 looks versatile. Nothing structural to limit your imagination. Lovely engine access as well, even with a seakeeper 16 in there.

Henry

 

[jfm]

Didn't I read there was an option to make the 75 galley all enclosed or does that merely compound the situation

I haven't heard of that option. Will look out for drawings. If done well it might improve things but I'd prefer open plan, but with much more 600mm depth cupboard space to install appliances. That can easily be done by modding their existing design.

The space to starboard as you go into the crew area on the 75 looks versatile. Nothing structural to limit your imagination. Lovely engine access as well, even with a seakeeper 16 in there.

Henry

Hmm. Stupidly the thing has no glendinnings as standard and this space is where they'd go if you custom specced them, thus fully consuming this space. Alas Henry it is easy to make versatile space if you omit essential equipment! Princess really do need to wise up here. A boat like this needs at least one 100amp glendinning. Sq78 has a pair of 100amp auto wind shore cables as standard spec on every hull ever built from 2003.

Engine room was first rate in pleasant contrast to the train crash P78 engine room. As you say the e/r was great even with the big seakeeper in hull #1 (iirc) though I think that is a poor choice for this boat and I'd spec fins.

Overall an excellent boat though, and substantially better than p72/78

 

[TanjaLu]

I could introduce you to some wonderful fridge or freezer to oven pies. A drop of mash potato 'n gravy.

Robert c'est votre oncle.

I know your chefs are quite fussy

Joking aside it's the one thing we will struggle with as and when we change the 50. Full size fridge freezer, good storage including overhead, a work surface, access to everything. Ok, it's a boat so limited but once you put the cooking upstairs everything gets much smaller.

Didn't I read there was an option to make the 75 galley all enclosed or does that merely compound the situation?

The space to starboard as you go into the crew area on the 75 looks versatile. Nothing structural to limit your imagination. Lovely engine access as well, even with a seakeeper 16 in there.

Henry

Yes, on the Princess 75 and on the S72 a Seakeeper 16 is offered from Princess direct.

 

[henryf]

The world premiers continue...

Sunseeker will be revealing their new 95 to the world

Thought it was a new Broom when I saw the small image in my email without a sense of scale.

Sunseeker are bringing the new 95 Yacht, 86 Yacht, 75 Yacht, 68 Sport Yacht, Manhattan 65 and Predator 57

It promises to be quite a show.

Henry

 

[Hurricane]

The world premiers continue...

Sunseeker will be revealing their new 95 to the world

Thought it was a new Broom when I saw the small image in my email without a sense of scale.

Sunseeker are bringing the new 95 Yacht, 86 Yacht, 75 Yacht, 68 Sport Yacht, Manhattan 65 and Predator 57

It promises to be quite a show.

Henry

Sorry but I'm not a fan of these "scaled down" supeyachts.
Princess do the same thing on their 30M range.

I prefer more curves - the P75 for example is a MUCH prettier boat.
Yep - would love to upgrade to a P75 - just can't justify (or afford) it.
On our old P67, we can (and do) 98% of what we would do on a P75.
But..... dreams sometime come true.

 

[Lozzer]

Wow that Sunseeker looks way to top heavy. Going back a few years their yacht range had a huge problem with rolling. Be interesting to see that at anchor of Formentera with failed stabilisers at going home time. Bucket for anyone.

 

[jfm]

It's the old 28m hull Lozzer with a main deck owners cabin and RPH added. It will have a nice slow roll period (7.5 seconds?)and I doubt any will be built without (Sleipner) vector fin stabilisers

 

[petem]

Does look a bit dumpy.

 

[jfm]

Yep - would love to upgrade to a P75 - ... But..... dreams sometime come true.

Talk to James Barke. He'll do you a trade in. On my inspection of p75 I reckon you could install an internal staircase (various ways to skin that cat but I was thinking like the pic below, with some necessary rework of galley at some time so as to get decent ovens and other appliances in. Full size galley appliance would sort of tuck under the staircase so as not to waste the space occupied by the staircase's footprint, if you get my drift. The staircase would be modern and sort of see through (open style, with funky LEDs in each step) like on both my Sq78s, and the opening up on the fly would be surrounded by guardrails etc.
Either you or I has to build this boat hurricane

(for comparison here is the standard boat with no mods)

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Talk to James Barke. He'll do you a trade in. On my inspection of p75 I reckon you could install an internal staircase (various ways to skin that cat but I was thinking like the pic below, with some necessary rework of galley at some time so as to get decent ovens and other appliances in. Full size galley appliance would sort of tuck under the staircase so as not to waste the space occupied by the staircase's footprint, if you get my drift. The staircase would be modern and sort of see through (open style, with funky LEDs in each step) like on both my Sq78s, and the opening up on the fly would be surrounded by guardrails etc.
Either you or I has to build this boat hurricane

(for comparison here is the standard boat with no mods)

Your redesign also very nicely sorts out that objectionable diagonal angle on the saloon sofa. Big improvement.

 

[Hurricane]

Talk to James Barke. He'll do you a trade in. On my inspection of p75 I reckon you could install an internal staircase (various ways to skin that cat but I was thinking like the pic below, with some necessary rework of galley at some time so as to get decent ovens and other appliances in. Full size galley appliance would sort of tuck under the staircase so as not to waste the space occupied by the staircase's footprint, if you get my drift. The staircase would be modern and sort of see through (open style, with funky LEDs in each step) like on both my Sq78s, and the opening up on the fly would be surrounded by guardrails etc.
Either you or I has to build this boat hurricane

(for comparison here is the standard boat with no mods)

I haven't looked seriously but I would want to investigate winding the stairs over the dinette.
Even if it meant moving the dinette aft a bit.
On the FB you could have an angled hatch which could be set into the (what I call) the eyebrow.
All this would be similar to our P67's solution.
Let me dig out some pics.

EDIT

Like this

 

[jfm]

@jimmy, yep, I don't love that diagonal
@hurricane, yep many ways to skin cat. You gotta be careful to add not subtract value and the footprint of winding stairs would eat lots of main deck. On p67 they tuck furniture under the stairs to hide this but in that dinette area the footprint consumption looks a big deal to me
The sq78 does a great job of not burning up flybridge foot print (see below) and the stairs land nicely but they were designed in from day 1. On p75 if you start the stairs by cutting into the fly dash they land too far forward on the main deck and clash with lower helm seats ( or master cabin stairs, if you put them to port). Tricky. This is why I came up with the aft-of-galley idea but it definitely isn't only way to skin cat. It is how sunseeker drew the stairs on 80 yacht (myag's boat) but no customer ever commissioned them. Would be great to get the 3D files off princess

Pic shows Sq78 top of stairs cut into fly dash. Sliding curved glass door. Also you just walk straight down them, no turns, which is nice

 

[Hurricane]

Yep - agreed
But my thoughts would be to do the same as the P67 and have a sideboard cabinet under the stairs.
Even at the expense of removing the small cocktail cabinet beside the port sofa.
In that case, the funny starboard angle (that Jimmy pointed out) would make more sense.
At that point, the P75 is much taller inside than the P67 so it would need more treads.
I haven't thought it out but maybe the stairs to the master suite could be incorporated into the design - a kind of spiral staircase rising from the lower deck right up to the FB with a landing on the main deck.
It is a shame that the lower one winds in a different direction.
The thing that I like about our current stairs is that they don't really take up any space.
It would be good to see this kind of thinking being designed in again.

It all cropped up again last week when we popped over to the Baldricks.
Three of us on board and on the way out we had lunch on the FB - something that would have been much more difficult without FB stairs.
This time, I made the lunch and with the FB stairs hatch open the galley is close enough to still hear the conversation on the FB.
It really does integrate the boat when under way.
Shame - it is probably more of an "owner's/skipper's" solution rather than for a crew operated boat.
And the 75 is much more likely to be crew operated - hence your comment about subtracting value.

 

[jfm]

Yup to all that. Alas, the stairs down to the master cabin are forward of the flybr windscreen so you cannot sort of continue them upwards, which would have been nice. What would be nice is the master cabin staircase at the aft of the cabin, where the wardrobe space is, and then a two-storey set of stairs going down from saloon to cabin and up to flybridge, just forward of the port saloon sofa. But that is too much modding perhaps and my first idea above is much easier and less footprint consuming on the main deck because kitchen appliances go under the stairs

This reminds me of the good old days. For my first s78, we put sketches on here, Fairline read the posts, 3D-ed them, and sent me the 3D models to post on here! We posted sketches like this...

Then Fairline 3D-ed them...

Then Mapism sketched a brilliant glass staircase idea when he had architect friends staying with him, and Fairline CAD-ed that...

Eventually we made this (twice!)...

The good old days! It would be great to have Princess's 3D model for the 75.