Princess announce world premier for British Motor Yacht show

I had a quick pop round the show this afternoon. P1ssed down the whole time so a good job you just walk straight on to all the boats :)

Big question then, what's the P49 like?

Visually it could do with being a bit longer, Princess have thought of this and offer the boat in a 52, 56, 60, 64, 68, 72, 75 and beyond version. Sunseeker had another option back in the day, they made a boat that looked amazing but had no headroom and just the one cabin. In the real world if you want a sub 50 foot boat with lots of space it's going to look a bit stumpy from some angles. Don't worry, when it's at anchor you will still be able to get some great photos for your screen saver at work taken from a front 3/4 viewpoint.

The aft galley works well because unlike the 52 they have left it open meaning you can easily reach all the appliances. Liked the work top return behind the sink which addresses the problem of water damaged wood veneer all P42 owners will be familiar with.

Opposite the galley there is storage including a tall unit by the patio door which looks tantalisingly close to the size of a full height fridge freezer. I wonder if there might be a tweak / option available in the future? The drinks fridge is in this area, very close to the kitchen fridge. Would that full height double unit mean it was redundant? Possibly even a full height double fridge and loose the freezer?

Unlike our P50 there is just the one seating / dining area. The introduction of a fixed cockpit table and U shaped seating means you could argue that second seating area has just been moved further aft. It will depend on your cruising ground. The cockpit is certainly very usable with the deep overhang of the flybridge and the canopy arrangement.

This particular boat is actually still being built believe it or not. It isn't due for delivery until August so see it as a work in progress. We wondered if the fixed dining table might be better served by a folding top which could be made smaller when not eating. All possible options for future owners.

The helm position is familiar to similar size Princess flybridge owners. I noticed the stainless rails have been raised a bit. This combined with full length hand rail along the side provides security for family operation.

Steps down to the cabins are easy to negotiate and lead down to a good size landing.

Master cabin has excellent headroom over the bed and easy access either side. Settee to the port side, storage to starboard and a new storage area behind the TV accessed via a door opposite the en suite bathroom. Huge windows give a sense of luxury.

VIP cabin uses scissor berths to cater for couples in love, couples out of love, kids, singles sharing, singles sharing who go on to be couples in love as the cruise progresses. Lots of head room, access to an ensuite bathroom that doubles as the day / third cabin head. The 2 doors don't clash which is nice.

Third cabin is bunks - there was never going to be anything else at this size with such generous proportions elsewhere. Nice touch with the built in steps.

IPS engines. I'm not going to enter into an argument either way. They offer really easy close quarters handling for a weekend skipper and a top speed of almost 35 knots from 550 HP. Yep, that's right, they saw almost 35 knots on a sea trial. Let's assume 31-32 knots with a bit of kit onboard and the boat in final trim - beer, pies, crockery & a bit of extra chain for the anchor.

I noticed Seakeeper gyro fitted for under £40k RRP. That almost looked like good value and could signify the coming of age for Seakeeper. Have we started to reach critical mass? At a time when boat builders raise prices in line with Liberian inflation it's good to see something come down !

My quick observations, I'm back again on Sunday when I'll take some photos and have another look but this is going to be a winner. 4 sold so far and it's only been on show for a matter of hours. It's also an obvious choice for P42 owners struggling to hand over a big chunk of change to upgrade to a P43 which is essentially the same as their old boat. The P42/3 and the P49 feel very different.

For my money another tick to add to the P75, P68 and S65 we've seen launched recently.

Henry :)
 
35knts. The M5 estate of the boat world.

Though with the gyro (and £40k as you say is *deep breath* reasonable) and the way things are going I wonder how many owners will do that more than once.

You can't get a full sized fridge/freezer in the starboard cupboard, the stairs intrude so even though it looks full height it isn't. I asked, and two other looking at the same time made the assumption and said 'ooh, this must be the fridge freezer'.

It wasn't obvious the boat was still being built - finish was very nice. A pity they couldn't make a seating area on the bow rather than just sunpads - perhaps design started prior to this trend but I have a feeling that will be the next 'full beam master' when it comes to must haves.

No surprises Henry loved it. I certainly wouldn't swap my old 50ft boat for one, I'd feel like I'd be losing something in every area without gaining anything. Now the SS 52 is a different story. Still some compromises and of course only renderings at this point but if you believe what I was told then they have 30 orders on the books already and production for next year is sold out.

Looking forward to Southampton to see if it lives up to expectations

One thing I didn't get was the price of the princess? Anyone know the base price?
 
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I had a quick pop round the show this afternoon. P1ssed down the whole time so a good job you just walk straight on to all the boats :)

Big question then, what's the P49 like?

Visually it could do with being a bit longer, Princess have thought of this and offer the boat in a 52, 56, 60, 64, 68, 72, 75 and beyond version. Sunseeker had another option back in the day, they made a boat that looked amazing but had no headroom and just the one cabin. In the real world if you want a sub 50 foot boat with lots of space it's going to look a bit stumpy from some angles. Don't worry, when it's at anchor you will still be able to get some great photos for your screen saver at work taken from a front 3/4 viewpoint.

The aft galley works well because unlike the 52 they have left it open meaning you can easily reach all the appliances. Liked the work top return behind the sink which addresses the problem of water damaged wood veneer all P42 owners will be familiar with.

Opposite the galley there is storage including a tall unit by the patio door which looks tantalisingly close to the size of a full height fridge freezer. I wonder if there might be a tweak / option available in the future? The drinks fridge is in this area, very close to the kitchen fridge. Would that full height double unit mean it was redundant? Possibly even a full height double fridge and loose the freezer?

Unlike our P50 there is just the one seating / dining area. The introduction of a fixed cockpit table and U shaped seating means you could argue that second seating area has just been moved further aft. It will depend on your cruising ground. The cockpit is certainly very usable with the deep overhang of the flybridge and the canopy arrangement.

This particular boat is actually still being built believe it or not. It isn't due for delivery until August so see it as a work in progress. We wondered if the fixed dining table might be better served by a folding top which could be made smaller when not eating. All possible options for future owners.

The helm position is familiar to similar size Princess flybridge owners. I noticed the stainless rails have been raised a bit. This combined with full length hand rail along the side provides security for family operation.

Steps down to the cabins are easy to negotiate and lead down to a good size landing.

Master cabin has excellent headroom over the bed and easy access either side. Settee to the port side, storage to starboard and a new storage area behind the TV accessed via a door opposite the en suite bathroom. Huge windows give a sense of luxury.

VIP cabin uses scissor berths to cater for couples in love, couples out of love, kids, singles sharing, singles sharing who go on to be couples in love as the cruise progresses. Lots of head room, access to an ensuite bathroom that doubles as the day / third cabin head. The 2 doors don't clash which is nice.

Third cabin is bunks - there was never going to be anything else at this size with such generous proportions elsewhere. Nice touch with the built in steps.

IPS engines. I'm not going to enter into an argument either way. They offer really easy close quarters handling for a weekend skipper and a top speed of almost 35 knots from 550 HP. Yep, that's right, they saw almost 35 knots on a sea trial. Let's assume 31-32 knots with a bit of kit onboard and the boat in final trim - beer, pies, crockery & a bit of extra chain for the anchor.

I noticed Seakeeper gyro fitted for under £40k RRP. That almost looked like good value and could signify the coming of age for Seakeeper. Have we started to reach critical mass? At a time when boat builders raise prices in line with Liberian inflation it's good to see something come down !

My quick observations, I'm back again on Sunday when I'll take some photos and have another look but this is going to be a winner. 4 sold so far and it's only been on show for a matter of hours. It's also an obvious choice for P42 owners struggling to hand over a big chunk of change to upgrade to a P43 which is essentially the same as their old boat. The P42/3 and the P49 feel very different.

For my money another tick to add to the P75, P68 and S65 we've seen launched recently.

Henry :)

As always Henry, a great report. I was very impressed with the P49 and I can see it being a winner.

Personally, I think this is one of the best shows of the year:

Why?

1. Close to home
2. Has the boats from the 3 manufacturers I would be interested in.
3. Catch up with the great people that work in this industry like David from RK Marine, James Barke, Trevor Betts, Richard Bates. All of whom I have dealt with over my 20 Years of boating.
4. Catch up with fellow forum members and talk about our great passion - to an onlooker talking about where to get clips for lights might not be the most interesting conversation point but to us it is.
5. The cars - if you were there on Saturday morning and you heard the nuts being revved off the Lambo and the McLaren, that was my 16 year old Son in there. I didn't even try and get into them for the fear of having to be winched out. Finally saw a Rolls-Royce Dawn - I don't think I would ever get used to the orange interior and as the afternoon confirmed, I will stick with the hard top and cream interior.

So, Princess, Sunseeker and Fairline, keep the show going - if Princess have sold so many 49s, I would suggest that their cost per sale would be quite tiny compared with London.

I believe this will be one of the longest weeks of my life - new boat comes on Thursday at 10:30!


Andrew
 
That would be 550hp each side = 1100hp.
Weight = 19,200kg.
LOL, yeah, I understood that 550 was meant as per engine.
550 overall would have been a miracle, rather than just impressive! :D
And at 19T it doesn't look like they achieved such result by building a yogurt pot, either.
Possibly the first example of a f/b exploiting the theoretical higher efficiency of pods in a meaningful way...?
If so, well done to Princess.
There's still just one way anyone could sell me an IPS boat (and even more so for a f/b), and it's over my dead body - but that's me.
 
Whitelighter

I think you're mistaking the P49 for another boat. It's a sub 50 foot compact 3 cabin flybridge with a full beam owners cabin. Compare it to something like the Fairline phantom / squadron 48 which it's just nailed the coffin lid on and you realise what a good job Princess have done.

The Sunseeker 52 is going head to head with the P52 or P56 not the P49 - subject to pricing of course.

I too have seen the SS 52 renderings and it looks interesting. Somewhat controversially possibly I have always seen Sunseeker as being in the same camp as Fairline when it comes to interior treatment. No glass wall wow factor, small interiors relative to hull length and tight winding stairs to get to accommodation decks. I would also have issues using them as a family cruiser due to styling over things like hand rails for side decks :)

The SS 52 could be the first of the Sunseeker boats which would tempt me away from Princess but let's wait until it arrives. I'm still mindful of the Targa 53 great reveal at Southampton and walking into the master cabin.

As for the full height refrigeration I'm not quoting any behind the scenes tip off merely suggesting that there looks like enough space to have a bit of a re-arrangement of units. I might be wrong and haven't had the tape measure out but it could release a big space in the galley as well as the drinks fridge in the starboard cabinet which would have to be reduced in size a bit.

As for the crew cabin Princess have made the not unreasonable call that 49 foot boat owners probably don't have a crew choosing to self helm. This is backed up by the easy manoeuvre joystick controlled IPS power plant. A decent lazarette space is what owners miht require instead.

The P52 and P56 both offer crew cabin potential.

Henry :)
 
But it's not sub 50ft is it? LOA is 51ft, 15.55m
Forget the Sunseeker, my boat is 15.45m. I have 3 proper cabins, saloon and dinette, interior access to the fly, big cockpit with crew cabin and large storage.

Ok, so my master is in the bow and there is no hi/low platform. And the flybridge layout is rubbish (though that is easily fixed as the basic size is very big).

Don't get me wrong, it's a very nicely finished boat with excellent attention to detail. I just wouldn't swap my boat for one as I lose in every area bar mid cabin and the high low.

I concede the SS M52 is much bigger at 17.2m (56ft) therefore not a like for like comparison.
 
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Thanks Pete for coming down and looking at the sign it was much appreciated.
I also can’t not praise Admillington who has been fantastic with advice and his help top guy.
I have found the guys on here very helpful in last few weeks having looked at upgrading to the Fairline brand a dream for some time and with the sea trial this coming week should hopefully be able to do a new boat to me thread soon.
 
Thanks Pete for coming down and looking at the sign it was much appreciated.
I also can’t not praise Admillington who has been fantastic with advice and his help top guy.
I have found the guys on here very helpful in last few weeks having looked at upgrading to the Fairline brand a dream for some time and with the sea trial this coming week should hopefully be able to do a new boat to me thread soon.

Thank you for the kind words - I am pleased to help out and contribute something back to the forum after receiving 15 years of great advice.
 
Any pics of the p49 Henry ?

Indeed there are :)

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Saloon


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Galley through to Saloon


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Master cabin


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Flybridge



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Cockpit


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VIP forward berth


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Forward Bathroom


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Opposite Galley


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Very safe side rails

Henry :)
 
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Young Henry is it possible you have got the master cabin pictures mixed up, as it would appear to be strangely identical to the master cabin picture in admillingtons new Princess 56 thread.
I am surprised you have not commented on the 2 x steps up from the galley as from being an avid reader of your threads (fan), I know you favour flat floors (the Prestige 500 manages with x 1).
Please don't let this put you off Princess as a brand.

That's what happens when you try and multi-task :)
I had the photo there having edited it for the P56 thread to remove a fender which was dangling in front of the window and annoying me !

All corrected. Can you just edit your post to remove the photos so as not to confuse anyone. Thanks.

I can accept those steps given the size & layout of the boat and the fact they are not too high individually.

The Prestige is an interesting layout and a boat we considered prior to buying the P50 but ended up with the Princess. Whilst it does only have a single step from the Galley to the saloon it's quite a substantial one.

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There will always be compromises, you just have to find something which fits your likes and dislikes - or spend more money and buy bigger of course :)

Thanks for spotting my mistake, wasn't done intentionally.

Henry :)
 
Thanks Henry for the pictures, as normal princess look to have done a great job and the finish looks top dollar!
On that note anyone know what they are selling for? When I enquired before I bought a prestige 500 the sums were circa 800k with a decent spec...
 
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