Please cut your wash near moorings

oldgit said:
Just reflectiing in general.
Number of events that stick in mind caused by speeding Mobos...... Lots
Number of incidents involving saily boats that caused consternation.......H,mm must be one somewhere !
Mind you not been boating that long so fairly limited experience.
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Sorry. I normally respect what you post but this is nonsense. Pointless me giving anecdotal examples of damage done by hopeless boaters that happen to have sails but it happens.
 
Scotty_Twister said:
I think this constitutes a bit of mud slinging...... well if a bit of the mud I've thrown sticks, perhaps then a few of your mobo associates who get up to mischief, could be policed by yourselves.

I would hazard a guess that the large majority of raggies have an RYA qualification whereby some of the areas of regard for oneanother on the water, are discussed to try and give everyone a safe and pleasant environment.
Serious question....
Would you say that the large majority of mobos have a basic training?
With the huge amount of power they often have and the potential to do enormous damage it's amazing that it's not law to do so. Perhaps your insurance companies insist on it?
Nevertheless, as an ex motocrosser, a builder/owner of a kitcar with a V8, I'm no stick in the mud as far as engines and thrills go so go stick your brush where the sun.....
I just don't go out of my way to be a nuisance as a minority of boaters seem to...... the majority of those seemingly mobos of one sort or another.
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In answer to your serious question - I don't have any idea.

I think there are powerboaters that think they know what they're doing because it has a steering wheel and big boat sailors that think they know what they're doing because they sailed a dinghy.
Both are equally hazardous. Insurance premiums PROVE this. Yes mobos have the potential to do damage but as a rule they don't otherwise the free insurance market would demand training.
It would be interesting to know however how many do have formal traing. I do wonder if inexperienced boaters WITH a qualification are perhaps a hazard if they are over confident. Who knows.
Ultimately I believe there are good and bad boaters for whatever reason in all types of boat and do get irritated when you tar all mobos with the same brush as you do tend to do.
As for your petrolhead hobbies, I admit to being surprised, can I have my brush back please?
 
Scotty_Twister said:
Serious question....
Would you say that the large majority of mobos have a basic training?
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Further to the comments others have made pointing out ST's bigotry on this subject, the RYA website says of RYA training courses, that

"The most popular course in 2008 was Powerboat Level 2, with 24,400 people taking the course"

so it seems that a powerboating course is the most popular of ANY course, sail or power.
 
Fire99 said:
I'd also like to see what kinda sign you put for that one.
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Easy: no wake zone.
I must admit that I've only seen it on the other side of the pond so far, but that's a restriction which makes much more sense than a fixed speed limit imho. And easier to enforce, either.
 
MapisM said:
Easy: no wake zone.
I must admit that I've only seen it on the other side of the pond so far, but that's a restriction which makes much more sense than a fixed speed limit imho. And easier to enforce, either.
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Quite a few places in the UK have such a policy. Here is a webpage for the Hamble. Have a look at the top right......6knts and no wash, prominent as a sort of banner ad
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/hambleharbour/navigation-safety.htm
 
"but this is nonsense."

Merely relating personal experience,a single yacht crossing my track only inconviences me for a brief moment and I can steer left or right to help the encounter pass more smoothly and is merely part of going anywhere in boat.
Wash however causes lots of problems for lots of people over a wide area and sticks in the memory.
 
"I would hazard a guess that the large majority of raggies have an RYA qualification"
Yeah right!

On the subject of idiots afloat perhaps it would be a good idea to tell yachties that they are the give way vessel when overtaking a motorboat!!!
 
Let's not be defensive. This was Scotty's OP:

Hi Mobos.

Can I appeal to your better side and ask you lads and lassies to be a bit sympathetic, considerate etc, towards others when passing moorings at the speed that creates a large bow wave and sends moored yachts on pontoons and on bouys into an erratic dance.

It can do a huge amount of damage to topsides, fenders and lines and can also throw things around inside if those onboard are least expecting a wash.
Many thanks
oh, to those who are already considerate, I am extremely grateful,
ta
Scotty
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I don't see anything in that to take exception to. It's a politely worded request to mobo skippers to (if they don't already do so) give some thought to the effect that their wash has on other water users. I believe, from the tone, that it was made in a spirit of goodwill and boating fellowship.

Scotty - I hear your request. I think it's fair and reasonable for you to have made it in the terms you did. I don't take offence and wish that my fellow moboers would read it in the spirit in which I think it was intended.
 
Scotty_Twister said:
I think this constitutes a bit of mud slinging...... well if a bit of the mud I've thrown sticks, perhaps then a few of your mobo associates who get up to mischief, could be policed by yourselves.

I would hazard a guess that the large majority of raggies have an RYA qualification whereby some of the areas of regard for oneanother on the water, are discussed to try and give everyone a safe and pleasant environment.
Serious question....
Would you say that the large majority of mobos have a basic training?
With the huge amount of power they often have and the potential to do enormous damage it's amazing that it's not law to do so. Perhaps your insurance companies insist on it?
Nevertheless, as an ex motocrosser, a builder/owner of a kitcar with a V8, I'm no stick in the mud as far as engines and thrills go so go stick your brush where the sun.....
I just don't go out of my way to be a nuisance as a minority of boaters seem to...... the majority of those seemingly mobos of one sort or another.
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Scottie, It seems very apparent that some (majority) powerboat skippers are aware of their surroundings, and are obviously looking at the boats around them. Then there are the others, where it seems they are characterised by a fixed stare ahead, not looking even 10 degrees either side of their course. Its these types invariably that cause the wake problems

HOWEVER - I wish someone could do something about the HUGE wash from some of the container ships - especially when anchored overnight in Osborne bay. Last time - at 10 pm we lost our entire dinner and wine from the table as we rolled our guts out. Port of Southampton doesn't want to know!
 
Chris_Robb said:
HOWEVER - I wish someone could do something about the HUGE wash from some of the container ships - especially when anchored overnight in Osborne bay. Last time - at 10 pm we lost our entire dinner and wine from the table as we rolled our guts out. Port of Southampton doesn't want to know!
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May I refer my learned colleague to the following Southampton port map

Areas of Caution

If you read the caution about Osbourne ba I think it says it all.
 
If you think its bad there, come to the meddy!! Its a nightmare, we have lots of charter germans!! Wash, what wash, more like the 100 year wave!!
Especially if you have a largish classic, they come over at high spedd to have a look, I dont wave anymore or shout at them, useless. Might also ewncorage them to come for another pass. The worst though is the "proffesionals" the catamaran ferries, christ they will really make your dinner come back to haunt you! Passing at 10' feet away, I kid you not, they hit my mooring bouy, and sank it!
 
I think most rivers have a local council bylaw with regard to not making wash that would cause erosion of the river banks. Unfortunately, it appears that there a lot of people unaware of this on the Itchen, but then again there are also a few who think the 6 knot limit stops at the toll bridge (i.e. out of sight of dockhead). Also strange how some only slow down just prior to Shamrock Quay and not before.........
 
Epervier - nice cockpit, I have one exactly the same at Portishead.

A quick comment on the whole course thing, one of the things that used to worry me as a sailing instructor years ago was that people would do a week long course and then be under the impression that they were sailors. There is a big difference between being able to helm a Wayfarer and being a sailor. No doubt mobo courses can be percieved the same way. And yes I did do my PB2 when I changed my sticks for stinks.
 
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