Please cut your wash near moorings

Come on, Major, that's not discussion, you're creditting me with words I didn't say & opinions I don't have. It may be convenient to your self-justification, but doesn't wash.:D Sorry, pun intended.

Anyway, I too accept wash when at anchor, as in life, poo happens. All I (& I think OP) have asked for is a little consideration. Why should anyone object to that? I KNOW you are a reasonable guy, I have even seen you accept a pint off Kwakker:eek:

I do not require everyone to pussy foot around, but what's wrong with reasonable speeds when around moorings or a decent distance off/ speed if someone is standing on a cabin top working with sails (usually clearly visible) - or the other killer I regularly see is with small boat fishermen & people in tenders with VERY low freeboards getting swamped by the odd tosspot making waves.

To be honest, I doubt very much that you would behave like that anyway, so why take offence?
 
Sorry, I haven't taken any offence, but you did say that wash can travel for miles, ergo you are saying that you must be considerate even if you are miles from a mooring.

My little 2.4 tender loves wash and bobs quite happily. :)

As to people up rigging and in little wooden tenders I and many others always slow down...even though we make more wash...just to show that we have seen them. But the OP never mentioned them and other posters we more concerned about their FB pies.

With the traffic through the Strait on a busy day wash is and will always be a fact of life outside the speed zones.
 
Actually, the worst offenders I have seen are the "professional" fishermen in Caernarfon, bashing thro the harbour at 6-7knts right next to the boats on the quayside. Their fat little stubby craft create an evil wash at that speed & can smash cruisers against the quay wall. Quite why they do it I have never understood. I potter up & down the entire length of the harbour at 2knts in a few minutes, so it ain't a question of saving time.

It couldn't be anything to do with deep seated Plaid Cymru sympathies, Welsh zenophobia or envy could it? No obviously not :)
 
To all those that say "just deal with it"... obviously you haven't been injured as a result of a wash made by a passing boat.

It really makes me cross when I hear "just deal with it"... there was no way I could have dealt with it when the wash broke my foot and seriously strained my ankle so that I will have restricted movement and a permanent ache in it probably for life.

I realise boats are on water and water can have waves but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have consideration for others comfort and safety when helming our boats.

It isn't satisfactory just to say "deal with it". We can deal with the ones we see coming and if we are in a position to deal with it. If you don't see it coming then you are at the mercy of luck whether you are injured as a result.

To all those who say "deal with it" I say... be more considerate of others.
 
Searush said:
Actually, the worst offenders I have seen are the "professional" fishermen in Caernarfon, bashing thro the harbour at 6-7knts right next to the boats on the quayside. Their fat little stubby craft create an evil wash at that speed & can smash cruisers against the quay wall. Quite why they do it I have never understood. I potter up & down the entire length of the harbour at 2knts in a few minutes, so it ain't a question of saving time.

It couldn't be anything to do with deep seated Plaid Cymru sympathies, Welsh zenophobia or envy could it? No obviously not :)
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I knew a skipper of a fishing trawler that ran out of Lymington, it had a beam trawl, huge steel tube with skids on the outside probably 4' wider than the boat, when he went to work, he set off from the town quay at 4 in the morning and bashed his way out of Lymington river hitting yacht after yacht, his was pure resentment, he argued, the yotty/gin palace brigade will kill the small fisherman,

That was 1979, he's dead and buried now, but he was right, today the town quay is locked the council all but stopped them using the quay, the slipway is still there but theres no where to park,and the river is nearly choked by leisure craft, the council even tried to stop the IOW ferries from upgrading their fleet recently.
 
epervier said:
I knew a skipper of a fishing trawler that ran out of Lymington, it had a beam trawl, huge steel tube with skids on the outside probably 4' wider than the boat, when he went to work, he set off from the town quay at 4 in the morning and bashed his way out of Lymington river hitting yacht after yacht, his was pure resentment, he argued, the yotty/gin palace brigade will kill the small fisherman,
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He sounds like he was a prize twat. What on earth was he trying to acheive?
 
SnaxMuppet said:
To all those that say "just deal with it"... obviously you haven't been injured as a result of a wash made by a passing boat.

It really makes me cross when I hear "just deal with it"... there was no way I could have dealt with it when the wash broke my foot and seriously strained my ankle so that I will have restricted movement and a permanent ache in it probably for life.

I realise boats are on water and water can have waves but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have consideration for others comfort and safety when helming our boats.

It isn't satisfactory just to say "deal with it". We can deal with the ones we see coming and if we are in a position to deal with it. If you don't see it coming then you are at the mercy of luck whether you are injured as a result.

To all those who say "deal with it" I say... be more considerate of others.
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You're repeating yourself, or had you forgotten,

by the way, I'm one of those, lifes too short to faff about whinning about it, my phrase is, get over it, now you making me repeat myself, it's not going to stop, so learn to live with it, boating in it's self is risky, it comes with the territory, some yacht racers go down the southern oceans, you don't get bigger wash than that anywhere 60'-80' is not uncommon,OK maybe the odd tsunami, and don't go with, they know what they're doing ****, if they knew what they were doing, how come they end up upside down, demasted,and ever so grateful when they get rescued by some warship in the area, and they're honored as hero's when they get back,us Brits are good at that, honoring losers, a sane person wouldn't go in the first place!

So to sum up,
wash happens,
will it stop? doubt it,
has this post been useful to you, doubt it,
will it change the attitude of the offenders, doubt it,
Do we really care about this issue, and it's effects? doubt it,we pay lip service to it,

but it's been a hellofa post, lots of views and quite a few replies, but it's seen it's best, it's time for it to lie to rest.
 
Yes, I have sympathy for your injury, but unless it was caused by a boat exceeding a speed limit and thereby causing excessive wash that would have been reduced by observing the speed limit, then the onus was on you to make sure it was safe to board. But the tone of this thread is that alll boats should always travel at no more than 5/6/8/knots even when there is no speed limit.

Are you telling me that you never went faster than that on your round GB trip in sight of moored boats - remembering that wash can travel for miles.

If your injury was caused by a boat breaking a notified speed limit than your post was not neccessary as my post was about boats travelling outside speed restricted zones where they have the right to be on the plane or a displacement boat to push through the water at 10 knots, thereby conferring the onus on you to be aware of potential wash.

I can sit at anchor in Pilots Cove at Llanddwyn Island http://www.caernarfon-hbr.demon.co.uk/buoys.pdf (Click to see chart) on a calm day and get wash from boats following the buoyed channel a mile away. I don't expect them to slow down for my convenience and neither does anyone else, but many people on here seem to think that they should slow down.
 
Oh dear. This debate is becoming polarised again and posters becoming defensive.

I think it's a mistake to advance generalised arguments by reference to particular incidents, so perhaps SnaxMuppet's anecdote doesn't help to make the point. I would express it like this.

If it's not possible to see the effect your wash has on other people then, clearly, it's not reasonable to expect you to modify your behaviour. However, if you do (or could, with a litlle more attention) observe how your wash affects others, then it is reasonable to ask and expect, as a matter of common courtesy and (hopefully) goodwill towards those others (who, after all, are enjoying what is substantially the same pastime as you), that you will show some consideration and, if necessary, exercise some restraint.

I think that's all the OP asked and I really can't find the slightest reason to disagree.
 
epervier said:
...the council even tried to stop the IOW ferries from upgrading their fleet recently.
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No, there was no objection to them being upgraded. The objection is to the unsuitable ferries they have been upgraded to. And if you don't believe they are unsuitable, have a look at them - they are already bashed about where they cannot be manoeuvred as well as the old ones and they haven't been able to maintain the timetable since they were introduced. The same is happening at Portsmouth.
 
Snail,
please forgive me, read what you've written, an objection, is still an objection, so to say no, there was no objection, then to qualify it as another objection! :confused:

I just condensed what the local rag, The New Forest Post, printed, OK, again, perhaps there isn't enough detail for you, but there was opposition from the local council as regards these new ferries. I also wrote they tried to stop it, I didn't say they succeeded, the why's and whatfor's are for others to sort out.
 
epervier said:
Snail,
please forgive me, read what you've written...
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Perhaps you should read what you have written (and all of what i have written):

"the council even tried to stop the IOW ferries from upgrading their fleet recently."

It isn't the case. There is no opposition to upgrading, just to the unsuitable ferries they have chosen. Rightly so in my opinion.
 
The whole Lymington-Yarmouth ferries thing seems to be a bit of a farce. I am told that Wightlink forgot to get planning permission for a new (higher) pedestrian ramp at Lymington and that their retrospective attempts to get it sorted out are being opposed by various interest groups with the result that all pedestrians and cyclists have to embark and disembark via the car ramp. Not very H&S friendly.... :)
 
I'll settle for, your right and I'm wrong,

I don't even use the ferry services, from either end of the island or Cowes, so I would have to bow to your experienced opinion as to their unsuitability.

I prefer to use my own transport anyway.
 
epervier said:
I'll settle for, your right and I'm wrong,

I don't even use the ferry services, from either end of the island or Cowes, so I would have to bow to your experienced opinion as to their unsuitability.

I prefer to use my own transport anyway.
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I prefer my own transport too. Take your boat down to Lymington on a windy day and watch them, I am sure you could make a considered judgement.
 
jhr said:
...pedestrians and cyclists have to embark and disembark via the car ramp. Not very H&S friendly.... :)
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No different from Portsmouth. They have always had to embark footpassengers and cyclists through the vehicle ramp and still do, with far bigger ferries. They just don't do it at the same time as the cars.
 
Major Catastrophe. However do you deduce from my post that I "so despise" sportfisher types Those are your words, not mine and I have to say I rather resent that. If you actually READ my post, you will see that I clearly state that both sail AND MoBos can cause wash problems in the same way that I said that both raggies AND MoBos would thank skippers showing some consideration.

Maybe it's not the boats that are the problem.....
 
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