Phantom 43 or princess 42??

I see whitelighter's point i.e if I wanted lower price, go Phantom 40 or perhaps Princess 40. If higher price, my choice would be between Phantom 46 and Princess 42. In fact, you might even get a 46 for a lot less than the P42 as nimbusgb will tell you. I sense that Paul is unlikely to go down in size, even if a foot or so. And then, what us the next most affordable size ie Phantom 43.
 
For me it's about having what I've just sold plus a bit more.
The criteria was, better flybridge , moulded steps at a better angle than the ladder, bigger second guest cabin and head, larger galley, get away from davits to crane or passarelle , electronic controls. , the princess 42 and phantom 43 do it all, the phantom 40 or princess 40 would be a compromise as there smaller in some areas over our princess 410.

Jez , it's my choice matey you only live once. The 40s are just not big enough in the cabins . I use my boat for 2/3 nights in the week , it's not just a weekender for me.
 
volvopaul said:
For me it's about having what I've just sold plus a bit more.
The criteria was, better flybridge , moulded steps at a better angle than the ladder, bigger second guest cabin and head, larger galley, get away from davits to crane or passarelle , electronic controls. , the princess 42 and phantom 43 do it all, the phantom 40 or princess 40 would be a compromise as there smaller in some areas over our princess 410.

Jez , it's my choice matey you only live once. The 40s are just not big enough in the cabins . I use my boat for 2/3 nights in the week , it's not just a weekender for me.
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Hi Paul,

I totally get that, but you did ask for opinions and that's mine. I fully accept I might be 100% opposit to the rest of the world :)

Pleased you've sold your boat so good luck with the search for the next. Of your choices I'd go for a newer boat - in fact the newest you can.

Good luck and don't forget the pics when you find your next
 
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Glad to hear your boat is under offer Paul, In my old marina I knew a chap with a Phantom 43 circa 2003 and a chap with a P42 circa 2008. In my opionion I always felt than the Phantom 43 looked modern even though I knew it to be 10 years old. It seems to be a classic design. The P42 is also a classic design (the number sold speaks for it self) but, If it were my money, I'd go with the Phantom and save a heap of dosh as you'll be further down the depreciation curve with the Phantom. Either way, a nice position to be in...
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+1

If it were me I'd save the dosh and the depreciation and get the Fairline.
 
Stretch yourself and go for the Princess, those guys down at Marine Projects know what they are building. If you we're stuck out getting home in a gale the boat would get you back. A good solid boat, fantastic hull. Unfortunately the Fairline will get the feminine vote, shiny table, shiny fabrics etc, even the boat show sales pitch has more wow. Deeper down under the showy surface the Princess wins it.e
 
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Hi there Paul

Fingers crossed with the sale. I know you've been wanting to explore a change for some time now.

You obviously know which way my vote goes. We moved from a Phantom 42 to a Princess 42. The 40 is too small. At the time it felt like we were paying a load of money to go backwards. No wood, kept banging knees on everything due to the reduction in size and so on. The Princess just felt that bit bigger which made spending the money easier to swallow.

I genuinely think the Princess is the best in class and because of that it will always have a strong following. Will the new 43 affect values ? I'm not sure at the age you will be looking at. There is a very big gap between circa £200k and £400-500k. Ok, wriggle room on all sides but the extra money is hard to find.

I like the thought of a slightly newer boat. There's less chance of having to change or repair "non consumables". You know engines better than most on here so no need for advice on that score. Looks wise? Each to their own, I think the Princess has classic lines which are unlikely to upset anyone in the future, I think it's well proportioned. Sea keeping, handling and getting into places is great. You've got a 45 foot boat but you pay for 42 feet 'cause that's what it says on the side :)

Depreciation wise will the Fairline lose more money? I'm not sure it will. If you sell a year 2000 or a 2001 boat in 5 years time it's like selling a 1995/6 boat today and I think there is a psychological barrier which might take it out of the scope of a lot of buyers. A 2006 boat would be the same as a 2001 boat today and I think that's just new enough to still have mass appeal. Were you to say 4 years rather than 5 years then I think the 1996/7 - 2002 gap is even greater. There comes a point when boats become a liability and that has to reflect in the asking price. I'm not saying a 1995 boat is, but I don't know where the cut off comes.

We both know the Princess is a well enough put together boat and they tend to use all the right bits.

Good luck with which ever route you choose.

Henry :)
 
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henryf said:
Hi there Paul

Fingers crossed with the sale. I know you've been wanting to explore a change for some time now.

You obviously know which way my vote goes. We moved from a Phantom 42 to a Princess 42. The 40 is too small. At the time it felt like we were paying a load of money to go backwards. No wood, kept banging knees on everything due to the reduction in size and so on. The Princess just felt that bit bigger which made spending the money easier to swallow.

I genuinely think the Princess is the best in class and because of that it will always have a strong following. Will the new 43 affect values ? I'm not sure at the age you will be looking at. There is a very big gap between circa £200k and £400-500k. Ok, wriggle room on all sides but the extra money is hard to find.

I like the thought of a slightly newer boat. There's less chance of having to change or repair "non consumables". You know engines better than most on here so no need for advice on that score. Looks wise? Each to their own, I think the Princess has classic lines which are unlikely to upset anyone in the future, I think it's well proportioned. Sea keeping, handling and getting into places is great. You've got a 45 foot boat but you pay for 42 feet 'cause that's what it says on the side :)

Depreciation wise will the Fairline lose more money? I'm not sure it will. If you sell a year 2000 or a 2001 boat in 5 years time it's like selling a 1995/6 boat today and I think there is a psychological barrier which might take it out of the scope of a lot of buyers. A 2006 boat would be the same as a 2001 boat today and I think that's just new enough to still have mass appeal. Were you to say 4 years rather than 5 years then I think the 1996/7 - 2002 gap is even greater. There comes a point when boats become a liability and that has to reflect in the asking price. I'm not saying a 1995 boat is, but I don't know where the cut off comes.

We both know the Princess is a well enough put together boat and they tend to use all the right bits.

Good luck with which ever route you choose.

Henry :)
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+ 1 agree with all that Henry has posted here!
 
Thanks for all your replies.

Interesting turn of events today. As we are at home this weekend we are close by to burton waters so we went to look at what stock they have. We looked at a princess 42 they have there, straight away my wife didn't like the style of the woodwork at all, too dark and bland she said, the drinks cabinet looked like something from an old ladies house, the galley work top looked bland too. These are her comments not mine, my wife works as a buyer for a global fabrics supplier .

So out came my phone with pics of a phantom43, we compared all areas of each boat form the inside out to the flybridge layout. I will still say the princess beats the phantom on the dash boards friendliness and style, the overall build quality is better on the princess, but I was surprised to notice areas on the princess that have leaked water inside the boat damaging areas of woodwork. I also noticed the size of both cabins slightly smaller on the princess than the fairline. Up to the flybridge, the phantom still beats the princess, I think the rear area on the princess is wasted as a sunbed and if used in the uk would be a rarity , so id rather have the extra seating on the phantom.
The engine bay on the princess is just as good as the phantom, which means full removal of the furniture to service both engines fully, as the princess lacked the remote oil filters set up this meant full removal of all seating to carry out an interim service, where fairline fit remote oil filter set up as standard, its an extra on the princess.
Nice to see pipework and electrical supplies labelled from the factory, not seen this on the fairline at mid2000 year, but they do this on later builds.

So that's it,its the phantom ..... Or so I thought till I checked my emails when I arrived home.
 
henryf said:
Hi there Paul

Fingers crossed with the sale. I know you've been wanting to explore a change for some time now.

You obviously know which way my vote goes. We moved from a Phantom 42 to a Princess 42. The 40 is too small. At the time it felt like we were paying a load of money to go backwards. No wood, kept banging knees on everything due to the reduction in size and so on. The Princess just felt that bit bigger which made spending the money easier to swallow.

I genuinely think the Princess is the best in class and because of that it will always have a strong following. Will the new 43 affect values ? I'm not sure at the age you will be looking at. There is a very big gap between circa £200k and £400-500k. Ok, wriggle room on all sides but the extra money is hard to find.

I like the thought of a slightly newer boat. There's less chance of having to change or repair "non consumables". You know engines better than most on here so no need for advice on that score. Looks wise? Each to their own, I think the Princess has classic lines which are unlikely to upset anyone in the future, I think it's well proportioned. Sea keeping, handling and getting into places is great. You've got a 45 foot boat but you pay for 42 feet 'cause that's what it says on the side :)

Depreciation wise will the Fairline lose more money? I'm not sure it will. If you sell a year 2000 or a 2001 boat in 5 years time it's like selling a 1995/6 boat today and I think there is a psychological barrier which might take it out of the scope of a lot of buyers. A 2006 boat would be the same as a 2001 boat today and I think that's just new enough to still have mass appeal. Were you to say 4 years rather than 5 years then I think the 1996/7 - 2002 gap is even greater. There comes a point when boats become a liability and that has to reflect in the asking price. I'm not saying a 1995 boat is, but I don't know where the cut off comes.

We both know the Princess is a well enough put together boat and they tend to use all the right bits.

Good luck with which ever route you choose.

Henry :)
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I also totally agree with henry's comments
 
Mexican said:
Paul

still got the p43 @ newark?

Robin
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Hi robin, yes they have and will continue to have for as long as the sun shines , I made an offer on it above what I can buy one from on the south coast which was rejected a few weeks back, we called in today , it was still there in the same place unsold, I met the owner who said he still wanted near on the asking price, at that we walked away.
Not even a thankyou for coming to look, did we want to look, did we want look and discuss a revised offer, no not a single discussion. I do wonder if people really do want to sell there boat or are they just wasting brokers time and effort on advertising it for them. I asked him was he aware of he market situation , he just said the price and that was it.

Plenty more out here that want to sell.
 
Paul

Obviously not really interested in selling or in denial about real price of secondhand. Probably thinks he can get back thAt which he paid as a new boat. Hope it l goes well, don't forget beer cold in dartmouth nxt summer.
 
NoIllusion said:
Funny how......if I remember 2 years, ago......Princess was the dogs goolies.............how minds change........then again 75TAMDs did nothing but belch out black smoke!!
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Dave - Princess Yachts still are the dogs danglies and they always hold there residual values well on the second hand market after they have taken the initial hit in the first 3 - 4 years off ownership :cool:
 
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NoIllusion said:
Funny how......if I remember 2 years, ago......Princess was the dogs goolies.............how minds change........then again 75TAMDs did nothing but belch out black smoke!!
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I still stand by my comment I made, I think at the time I was also giving you some advise for FREE, you also picked my brain on several occasions and asked me to service your engines for you to then do it yourself.

Remember I'm a swanwick berth holder and see many new and used princess boats come in and out there, one of which was YOURS after its journey from the West Country, I can assure you the stern, dinghy and flybridge were jet black with soot, I know both my wife and I viewed the boat taking some of the soot off with our clothes.

I think you and others are reading me wrong on this, I'm about to buy what will probably be my last big boat before we move south in 3 years time, I've not said there is anything wrong with the princess at all I still own one, we are making our own judgment on what suits us best at the price we can buy at and as I've said another 50/60 k is a lot of money to spend extra above a fairline of the same size. What I'm also taking into account is the fact that if I spend more I will need to get it back at the time of a future sale, your not always guaranteed to attain that.

There is nothing wrong with the Tamd 74/75 either is one of the best motors ever to come out of Sweden , its a fully rebuildable unit should it fail for less than the third of the cost of a D6, should you blow your D6 its 12k for a block plus another 3/4 k to rebuild it and fit it. An overhaul kit for the 75 is 3k.

Thanks for your input.
 
volvopaul said:
I still stand by my comment I made, I think at the time I was also giving you some advise for FREE, you also picked my brain on several occasions and asked me to service your engines for you to then do it yourself.

Remember I'm a swanwick berth holder and see many new and used princess boats come in and out there, one of which was YOURS after its journey from the West Country, I can assure you the stern, dinghy and flybridge were jet black with soot, I know both my wife and I viewed the boat taking some of the soot off with our clothes.

I think you and others are reading me wrong on this, I'm about to buy what will probably be my last big boat before we move south in 3 years time, I've not said there is anything wrong with the princess at all I still own one, we are making our own judgment on what suits us best at the price we can buy at and as I've said another 50/60 k is a lot of money to spend extra above a fairline of the same size. What I'm also taking into account is the fact that if I spend more I will need to get it back at the time of a future sale, your not always guaranteed to attain that.

There is nothing wrong with the Tamd 74/75 either is one of the best motors ever to come out of Sweden , its a fully rebuildable unit should it fail for less than the third of the cost of a D6, should you blow your D6 its 12k for a block plus another 3/4 k to rebuild it and fit it. An overhaul kit for the 75 is 3k.

Thanks for your input.
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Jet black? Bit of an exaggeration? Sooty is one thing but jet black? Really?
 
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