Petition to stop lobster traps trapping us

wizard said:
.... If these incidents could be reported/recorded somewhere then the number of incidents per year would probably increase dramatically.
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Wizard, you can voluntarily report any marine incident here: -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-a-marine-accident

Notes and guidance and applicability of the scheme, note leisure sailors are listed: -
https://www.gov.uk/maritime-reporting

Personally, I would report being snagged as an incident, even if it was cleared by myself or a rope cutter and with limited inconvenience to me.
 
fisherman said:
This is nationwide in different forms. The MMO has recently showed some signs of life and been reading the riot act to restaurants about buying illicit fish, fines can be heavy. They are allowed to buy fish from registered boats, but must register as first sale buyers, submit MMO returns with boat name, skipper's name, owner's name, boat reg, port of landing, ICES sea area, weight and value within 48 hours. The fisherman must carry a transport document with most of that info plus vehicle reg also. Strangely an angler can sell fish provided he has paperwork, ie invoices for tax, without any of the other stuff, but I'm not sure about the restaurant in that case, since the FV info would not be present.
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I think the scottish regs refer to a limit even for personal use, not for selling catch which is covered by other regs, as you say.
 
It's all very interesting and educational, thanks.

However.

Is there any reason why ANY yachtsperson, whether recreational, liveaboard, or employed crew would NOT sign the petition?
 
Pot Patrol ... that's what's required. Volunteers at weekends with a small boat and a large knife! They could even have it written on the boat in large letters and motor up and down the harbour ... they wouldn't necessarily have to do anything, just get the word about that they'd cut anyone's buoys off if they weren't properly marked!
 
Paddy Layback said:
It's all very interesting and educational, thanks.

However.

Is there any reason why ANY yachtsperson, whether recreational, liveaboard, or employed crew would NOT sign the petition?
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How about keeping government to a minimum, like no compulsory skippers tickets, or no boat licence schemes, or not wanting to waste government time on unworkable solutions, maybe just a the old dislike of big government interference, or that single issue groups that manage to get legislation passed may end up with bad legislation. How about wanting the voluntary system to be better managed by the organisations., perhaps some are not convinced that there is a case to legislate. Just some reasons why yachtsmen of a certain ilk may not want to sign.
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
Wizard, you can voluntarily report any marine incident here: -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-a-marine-accident

Notes and guidance and applicability of the scheme, note leisure sailors are listed: -
https://www.gov.uk/maritime-reporting

Personally, I would report being snagged as an incident, even if it was cleared by myself or a rope cutter and with limited inconvenience to me.
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Thanks for the link.
I had naturally assumed the MAIB was only for serious stuff, but having looked up their details its definately the way to go.
Thanks ' ...Boots '
 
fisherman said:
Paddy Layback said:
It's all very interesting and educational, thanks.

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Yerbut, the curtailing of illicit outlets buying fish is beginning to have an effect. Dob them in to the MMO, folk round here have, and the threat of fines has stopped some of the trade.
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I agree wholeheartedly, but the pots which bother me are within binocular range from shore; I wouldn't want that type knowing which boat ( or person & his car home if traced quite easily ) had knobbled their illegal pot, dobbed them in and cost them their sideline !
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Don't bother with the pots, as I said earlier, your boat is worth more than his gear. If you know which resto is buying, or where fish is being landed, or from which boats just tip off the MMO. They have started taking it seriously and have frightened a few off, and when they also turned up looking like tourists and gave a pikey a hard time that stopped him as well.
 
seajet the markers you always complain about are dark blue 5 litre plastic cans--they are in the open sea---they are legal whelk pots----to me they are adequately marked as i can easily see them day or night---i always wonder how well other people
can see them with plastic spray hoods/rigging/ropes/sails /pushpits/etc in front---or how extra good a lookout are you


keeping when you doing 25+knots---------------------i have had well marked pots run down in the solent----so perhaps in tandem with better pot marking we should have a displacement speed limit in the solent because what chance have even well marked pots got when you have people tearing around running into large boats
 
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lenten said:
seajet the markers you always complain about are dark blue 5 litre plastic cans--they are in the open sea---they are legal whelk pots----to me they are adequately marked as i can easily see them day or night---
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How do you see dark blue 5 litre plastic cans at night? At any speed. You must have much better night vision than me.

And, what exactly do you mean by "legal"? Certainly, that does not comply with the rules for marking gear in the harbour authorities where I sail (whose jurisdiction extends into "open sea").
 
mine was an honest answer----i find them easy to see but i do have an open boat with nothing in front to obscure my vision---------------------------i fished for 7 years in and around the solent---half the time at night----i never had a problem seeing what you would call badly marked bouys----winter or summer my head was ouside the wheelhouse to give myself the clearest view--------------------------i ask again ---how well can you see ahead with all the paraphenalia of a sailing boat in front of you???
 
Yes Lenten, you have an open boat much closer than sailing boats and power boats to the water so they may be easier for YOU to see - don't you think YOU should think of other users who can't hang out of their cockpit looking for YOUR dark coloured 5 litre pots in dark seas? So many people on here are telling you and others that you need bright and visible markers - what's so difficult to understand about that.
You're not the pillock who leaves 5 litre markers at the entrance to Langstone Harbour are you ?
 
Has anybody ever fitted a razor-sharp leading edge to their keel and rudder skeg? Beware playful porpoises and pinnipeds. ;)
 
Signed up.

I saw and enthusiastic amateur humping a big steel bound pot away from the Plymouth Boat Jumble this week.


As well as the trouble for shipping:
Anyone know much do these things cost? How can pro potters afford the wastage, marking them with a pop bottle? There must be good money in it?

Third issue is the waste of sea creatures as they are abandoned.

I have never caught one myself but have picked up a discarded net. Al fresco swimming is no fun offshore.

PS

2600 votes now and seems to be running out of steam.

Bloody hell,

... they got 127,000 votes for making police dogs up to the rank of "Police Officer" What would a dog do with a pension like that?
 
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ripvan1---i fished a 10 metre fishing boat for 7 years in and around the solent----winter and summer---half the time at night----always standing up with my head out of the wheelhouse i gave myself an optimum clear view-----------------i always thought that everyone could easily see what i could see----apparently not---so perhaps there is a case for better marking of bouys-----but is there also a case for keeping a better lookout on sailing boats-----i am not a sailor so are you saying that people in cockpits have difficulty arranging themselves so they can see clearly ahead
 
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