Permanent dock line layout

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We have just moved our P40 to her new permanent home berth, and I want to order some permanent dock lines.
I am unsure as to the best layout of spring lines so have created a layout below and would appreciate some advice please.

Which cleats would you have the spring lines to/from?

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Basically as above but with one line for one job.
1) b2 - p5
2) b2 - p3
3) b3 - p6
4) b1 - p1

You might want to keep a line slack on b2 - p4 in order to be able to pull the boat to the dock. You cannot afford to keep it tight without risking damage to the cleat.

You don't say whether the dock is floating, or not.

Reversing in, in most conditions, the first line to put on is b2 - p5. It is worth having this one made up to exactly the right length.

And then leave the engine ticking over in reverse while you tie up the other lines at leisure.
 
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Thankyou your replies gents. I also would probably go for one rope one job. I couldnt decide whether the springs should be B2-P3 or B2-P2 and B2-P5 or B2-P6. The P2 and P6 options giving longer lines. Although I like the idea of using P3 and P5 so each line has its own pontoon cleat.
 
I would go for two ropes,
as sooner or later you will be moored somewhere else and
getting alonside with is much easier with two ropes - one fore,one aft
 
kashurst said:
I would go for two ropes,
as sooner or later you will be moored somewhere else and
getting alonside with is much easier with two ropes - one fore,one aft
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I already have a set of 'cruising' ropes that will stay on the boat. This new set of ropes are to be permanent to my home berth and will stay on the dock.
 
Are the dock cleats only on the finger, or also on the main dock?
If the latter, I'd go for the setup below, because I hate crossing lines with a passion.
Unfortunately, they are almost essential in Med style mooring, but as a result, chafing them is just a matter of when, not if.
100% agreed ref. NEVER using the same line for more than one job, anyway.
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There is a cleat exactly where you have drawn the stern line in, so that is definitely and option. There may be a problem with P1 - B1 as we have to step on from the side when the rib is on the platform so would be stepping across that rope.
 
I see. You could consider replacing it with P2-B1, in this case.
Unless your mooring place is prone to strong blows on your stern, the "new" line I drew should be more than enough to restrict the boat from walking forward too much.
 
To me the first thing I want to know is which cleat on the boat do I, or my crew, have quickest access to. On my boat it would be the midship cleat (your B2 but for my boat it would be the starboard side), I use a rope from the nearest pontoon cleat, P4. This means if there are difficult conditions like a strong wind, all I need to do is get to that cleat and tie off quickly as close to the pontoon as I can. The boat is now pinned to the pontoon, the captain and crew can relax and tie the other ropes at your leisure however you like them.
 
Bouba said:
To me the first thing I want to know is which cleat on the boat do I, or my crew, have quickest access to. On my boat it would be the midship cleat (your B2 but for my boat it would be the starboard side), I use a rope from the nearest pontoon cleat, P4. This means if there are difficult conditions like a strong wind, all I need to do is get to that cleat and tie off quickly as close to the pontoon as I can. The boat is now pinned to the pontoon, the captain and crew can relax and tie the other ropes at your leisure however you like them.
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+1
 
think layout now kind of agreed, and not going to disagree with what's been suggested.

what I did want to say is how sensible permanent dock lines are IMO. I have always used them, shackled to the pontoon cleats, heavier than our visiting lines and perfectly adjusted to our boat, and the boat is moored up in a matter of seconds, keeps our visiting sets of warps nice and new looking for longer. But I do seem to be in the minority, always wondered why more folk don't have the same setup.
 
Firefly625 said:
think layout now kind of agreed, and not going to disagree with what's been suggested.

what I did want to say is how sensible permanent dock lines are IMO. I have always used them, shackled to the pontoon cleats, heavier than our visiting lines and perfectly adjusted to our boat, and the boat is moored up in a matter of seconds, keeps our visiting sets of warps nice and new looking for longer. But I do seem to be in the minority, always wondered why more folk don't have the same setup.
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Was always jealous of your set up. Very efficient
 
I have always used permanent dock lines, and as Firefly I use a heavier set of ropes than my visiting set.

My wife finds it so much quicker to step off and drop the first spring line onto the boat cleat without worrying about correcting lengths etc.
 
paul salliss said:
Was always jealous of your set up. Very efficient
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lol, well just to prove that there is always an exception to the norm Paul, as you have a new boat every year there is little point!

By the way, we have just moved berths, now on D19... which I think was your old berth. Got fed up Tulana getting covered in old antifoul when the wind pointed our way from the hoist..
 
Firefly625 said:
lol, well just to prove that there is always an exception to the norm Paul, as you have a new boat every year there is little point!

By the way, we have just moved berths, now on D19... which I think was your old berth. Got fed up Tulana getting covered in old antifoul when the wind pointed our way from the hoist..
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. D19 was my old one and a nice berth that one. Good luck to you
 
Thanks for posting this thread - v.interesting. I've similar questions and more for a different layout for a Sealine S34.

Questions:
1. What is optimum line layout?
2. What ropes (material and width)?
3. Presumably spliced at both ends - with plastic 'sheaths'?
4. How much extra do you add to the distance from cleat to cleat when ordering

Apologies in advance for errors in terminology

DW

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sprocker said:
We have just moved our P40 to her new permanent home berth, and I want to order some permanent dock lines.
I am unsure as to the best layout of spring lines so have created a layout below and would appreciate some advice please.

Which cleats would you have the spring lines to/from?

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I would have Breast lines from B1 to P2 and B3 to P6 and Springs from B2 to P2 and B2 to P6.

We don't have a cleat on our finger like your P2 so the P1 acts more like a spring and is a poor breast line, so I also have a breast line from your equivalent P1 to the opposite side stern cleat as it's better angle for a breast line. Pain in the butt boarding the boat from the bathing platform though.
 
Our layout is similar, but our B3 cleat is closer to the bow and finger ends around P5 (only 3 finger cleats too). I've just added a snubber to B3 - P5 as there can be quite a bit of movement this end on ours (bow into prevailing winds) so it helps prevent this line from snatching and will hopefully protect the cleat a bit.
 
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