Perkins M30

[38mess]

Our generator packed in today, it made a funny noise and stopped. It wouldn't turn over.

I stripped it down and it looks like something off the head where the injector sits fell into the cylinder.

A squashed piece of metal. So the con rod is bent, the piston is damaged and the head is also damaged. Is it worth repairing?

I noticed Marine Enterprises has exactly the same engine for sale, Used.. 2 grand and no Providence. What to do.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Like for like swap sounds efficient. But no providence sounds like a £2k risk that could backfire with significant regret.
If you can get by without a generator, save up for a new engine.

 

[38mess]

Like for like swap sounds efficient. But no providence sounds like a £2k risk that could backfire with significant regret.
If you can get by without a generator, save up for a new engine.

8k and a three month wait

 

[Tranona]

Have you tried here? westendmarinebatleyltd.co.uk


I think the bit that fell in is the combustion chamber insert and a non replaceable item. At least new head required - from memory £1500+ then rod and piston, but if bore is damaged thats it. Also try here parts4engines.com/perkins-100s-perama-m20-m25-m30-m35-mc42/ for quote on parts.

 

[38mess]

Have you tried here? westendmarinebatleyltd.co.uk


I think the bit that fell in is the combustion chamber insert and a non replaceable item. At least new head required - from memory £1500+ then rod and piston, but if bore is damaged thats it. Also try here parts4engines.com/perkins-100s-perama-m20-m25-m30-m35-mc42/ for quote on parts.

Thanks
I'll give them a bell on Monday.

 

[Beneteau381]

Have you tried here? westendmarinebatleyltd.co.uk


I think the bit that fell in is the combustion chamber insert and a non replaceable item. At least new head required - from memory £1500+ then rod and piston, but if bore is damaged thats it. Also try here parts4engines.com/perkins-100s-perama-m20-m25-m30-m35-mc42/ for quote on parts.

PBO did an article on this issue a few years back. Basically the injector combustion chamber comes loose and does the biz on the engine. There used to be a bloke doing the Boat Jumble rounds a few years back who had a sourcefor new industrial engines of this type.

 

[Beneteau381]

Our generator packed in today, it made a funny noise and stopped. It wouldn't turn over.

I stripped it down and it looks like something off the head where the injector sits fell into the cylinder.

A squashed piece of metal. So the con rod is bent, the piston is damaged and the head is also damaged. Is it worth repairing?

I noticed Marine Enterprises has exactly the same engine for sale, Used.. 2 grand and no Providence. What to do.
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[38mess]

Thanks for the link.
It's exactly what happened to my Engine. I wasn't so lucky though, the engine actually stopped before I could stop it. I took the head off and there it was, number 3 cylinder with a bit of squashed metal on top of the piston.
Unfortunately it looks like the con rod is bent also as the engine can be turned over by hand about 180 D then comes up to a brick wall.
Due to the high number of hours on this engine, around k10 I don't think it would be cost effective to repair it.
I'm going to give Marine Enterprises a bell tomorrow and see what they advise. They have a number of Volvo md 2030s in stock which will be a slot in.

 

[Tranona]

Slight word of caution. They are not very good at keeping their listings up to date. The listing for the 2030s has been on the site for 2 years to my knowledge but when I went to look at them about a year ago he did not actually have any, claiming he had sold them all to a Greek charter company!

A few months ago there was a thread here (can't trace it at the moment) about replacing a 2020 with a new base Perkins engine same as the latest D1 series using all the marinising bits from the old engine. He bought the engine from Westend and I think it was less than £2k for the base engine. Worth getting the latest engine as even the newest 2030 will be 20 years old

 

[38mess]

Slight word of caution. They are not very good at keeping their listings up to date. The listing for the 2030s has been on the site for 2 years to my knowledge but when I went to look at them about a year ago he did not actually have any, claiming he had sold them all to a Greek charter company!

A few months ago there was a thread here (can't trace it at the moment) about replacing a 2020 with a new base Perkins engine same as the latest D1 series using all the marinising bits from the old engine. He bought the engine from Westend and I think it was less than £2k for the base engine. Worth getting the latest engine as even the newest 2030 will be 20 years old
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Thanks.

 

[Beneteau381]

Thanks for the link.
It's exactly what happened to my Engine. I wasn't so lucky though, the engine actually stopped before I could stop it. I took the head off and there it was, number 3 cylinder with a bit of squashed metal on top of the piston.
Unfortunately it looks like the con rod is bent also as the engine can be turned over by hand about 180 D then comes up to a brick wall.
Due to the high number of hours on this engine, around k10 I don't think it would be cost effective to repair it.
I'm going to give Marine Enterprises a bell tomorrow and see what they advise. They have a number of Volvo md 2030s in stock which will be a slot in.

Before spending thousands on a used one, pull the old one, strip it and get the definitive as to what is broken. Then decide what to do, a new rod and pistons plus a new head? The rebuild kitfrom P4E isnt that expensive.
I keep thinking that converting my old garage in to a rebuild shop wouldnt be a bad idea!
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[38mess]

Before spending thousands on a used one, pull the old one, strip it and get the definitive as to what is broken. Then decide what to do, a new rod and pistons plus a new head? The rebuild kitfrom P4E isnt that expensive.
I keep thinking that converting my old garage in to a rebuild shop wouldnt be a bad idea!
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Thanks all stripped down.
Decent Cylinder heads are almost impossible to obtain I have found out. There is a recon one on eBay for nearly 1k
The rest of the engine is worn out I guess. The hour meter stopped working two years ago on 10025 so I guess I don't want to throw money at it
We have a smaller petter gennie which is ok for now.

 

[38mess]

Slight word of caution. They are not very good at keeping their listings up to date. The listing for the 2030s has been on the site for 2 years to my knowledge but when I went to look at them about a year ago he did not actually have any, claiming he had sold them all to a Greek charter company!

A few months ago there was a thread here (can't trace it at the moment) about replacing a 2020 with a new base Perkins engine same as the latest D1 series using all the marinising bits from the old engine. He bought the engine from Westend and I think it was less than £2k for the base engine. Worth getting the latest engine as even the newest 2030 will be 20 years old

Slight word of caution. They are not very good at keeping their listings up to date. The listing for the 2030s has been on the site for 2 years to my knowledge but when I went to look at them about a year ago he did not actually have any, claiming he had sold them all to a Greek charter company!

A few months ago there was a thread here (can't trace it at the moment) about replacing a 2020 with a new base Perkins engine same as the latest D1 series using all the marinising bits from the old engine. He bought the engine from Westend and I think it was less than £2k for the base engine. Worth getting the latest engine as even the newest 2030 will be 20 years old

Just got off the phone with Marine Enterprises, really helpful guy. They have a M30 which has very low hours in stock, it's been run up and tested and is all good. Shipped out today I'll fit it tomorrow . I know it's old stock, but needs must. The waiting list for a new beta is quite long

 

[Tranona]

Well done. Hope it all goes well. They are great engines. You are right about Beta. Ordered mine end April, delivered August!

 

[38mess]

I think I have found the cause of my catastrophic failure to my Engine the other day.
I took the exhaust elbow off today ready for the new engine and it was almost blocked solid with black crud which is as hard as rock.
I think the exhaust water backed up and flowed into the number 3 cylinder and knocked the injector distributor off and bent the Conrod.
That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[Tranona]

Fit a new elbow - what you have is classic 2030 issue, probably too much running on light load. You can get stainless elbows from Parts4engines.

 

[38mess]

Fit a new elbow - what you have is classic 2030 issue, probably too much running on light load. You can get stainless elbows from Parts4engines.

Thanks..240 quid I'll see if I can clean the old one up with my pencil grinder.

 

[geem]

Thanks..240 quid I'll see if I can clean the old one up with my pencil grinder.

I have a Perkins 102-05 generator. Same block as the Volvo 2010. Its the same base engine as Northern Lights but mine is the 2 cylinder 3000rpm unit not a 3 cylinder 1500rpm unit. I had a constant problem with the cast Iron exhaust elbow. It would need decoking every 100hrs or lose power. I fitted a cast stainless steel elbow of a northern lights genny. Bigger bore and completely trouble free after 5 years. Massive difference