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How does one maintain Part 3 registration if you don't 'live' in a country according to that's country's definition of living in the county?.... or what are the practical implications of not being registered at all?

If you Part 3 register your boat in the UK you must live in the UK for 185 days a year. Imagine you want to do something crazy, like sail around the world or Europe while occassionally returning to your home in the UK, but spending more than 1/2 the year travelling outside UK waters..... what do you do? I don't want Part 1.
 
goeasy123 said:
How does one maintain Part 3 registration if you don't 'live' in a country according to that's country's definition of living in the county?.... or what are the practical implications of not being registered at all?

If you Part 3 register your boat in the UK you must live in the UK for 185 days a year. Imagine you want to do something crazy, like sail around the world or Europe while occassionally returning to your home in the UK, but spending more than 1/2 the year travelling outside UK waters..... what do you do? I don't want Part 1.
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Wouldn't ever suggest bending the rules but heard that some people just keep very quiet.......🤔
 
It’s a question of timing of renewal and having a usable address they can send snail mail to, although the process is online.
 
Sandy said:
Can you name the benefits of Parts 1?
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More rigid registration scheme enabling stronger proof of ownership
Ability to document legal ownership and share proportion of boat (eg partner & I both share ownership of 64/64ths of the boat so no IHT issues when I die)
Ability to use boat as security for mortgage
 
goeasy123 said:
How does one maintain Part 3 registration if you don't 'live' in a country according to that's country's definition of living in the county?.... or what are the practical implications of not being registered at all?

If you Part 3 register your boat in the UK you must live in the UK for 185 days a year. Imagine you want to do something crazy, like sail around the world or Europe while occassionally returning to your home in the UK, but spending more than 1/2 the year travelling outside UK waters..... what do you do? I don't want Part 1.
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You dont *have* to register the boat at all, but if you take it abroad the authorities will occasionally want you to prove you own it, and are not liable for taxes in which ever country you end up in. Not having a registration tends to complicate issues somewhat.
For Part 1, you can get away with just being a UK Citizen (or a company) but for Part 3 all the owners have to be resident. I guess you could make someone you know in the UK the owner, (there are no obligations on them) but then you'll also have to carry some documentation showing that the owner is letting you use 'their' boat.
 
dunedin said:
Well in the case of the OP, a key benefit is not needing to have a UK address.
Ocean going vessels is kind of what Part 1 was intended for, and Part 3 / SSR for leisure vessels close to home.
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Exactly. Plus proof of title
 
goeasy123 said:
How does one maintain Part 3 registration if you don't 'live' in a country according to that's country's definition of living in the county?.... or what are the practical implications of not being registered at all?

If you Part 3 register your boat in the UK you must live in the UK for 185 days a year. Imagine you want to do something crazy, like sail around the world or Europe while occassionally returning to your home in the UK, but spending more than 1/2 the year travelling outside UK waters..... what do you do? I don't want Part 1.
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The trick is to make it appear you still live in UK, not just for SSR. Many banks are closing accounts for folks they know don't meet the residence rules and there's also the possibility of being struck off by GP and the rest of the health system.
 
RupertW said:
It’s a question of timing of renewal and having a usable address they can send snail mail to, although the process is online.
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I had to change to Latvian Registry from SSR due to the requirement to prove residence in UK by way of Utility Bills etc.
For years I had enjoyed SSR ... then .... Please submit following ......

It made no difference that I included my two sons as 'co-owners' as living in UK ... the fact that I was no longer resident UK - voided SSR.
 
OP here... What a mine of useful knowledge!!

Why I don't want Part 1. Mainly inconvenience... 'cause I've already got Part 3, hassle, and cost of getting Part 1. The boat is not in the UK (Italy) and needs the survey for P1. Although. the boat had P1 with a previous owner and still has the plaque, so maybe the survey is still on record somewhere. And do I not need specific kit on board as a P1 vessel.... flares, extinguishers and the like?... or is that something else.... 'coding'?

I like wonky's IHT avoidancce scheme. I might by a big FO boat and 'share' it with the kids.

pandroid said:
You dont *have* to register the boat at all, but if you take it abroad the authorities will occasionally want you to prove you own it, and are not liable for taxes in which ever country you end up in. Not having a registration tends to complicate issues somewhat.
For Part 1, you can get away with just being a UK Citizen (or a company) but for Part 3 all the owners have to be resident. I guess you could make someone you know in the UK the owner, (there are no obligations on them) but then you'll also have to carry some documentation showing that the owner is letting you use 'their' boat.
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Are you sure international law doesn't mandate registration and the flying of a flag? Everything online suggests you do, but typically no one cites source law. I've tried to find source with no result so far. Any ideas? This brings up an interesting opportunity....

Irish owners have a problem in that the authorities have withdrawn their equivalent of P3 leaving only a full, onerous and expensive commercial option. The Irish Sailing Association have responded by keeping their own register and issuing Certificates of Identity. The purpose is solely to prove ownership to foreign (in particular EU) authorities. I'm not sure if you can then fly a Tricolour and thus avoid the attention of EU frontline authorities??
 
Refueler said:
I had to change to Latvian Registry from SSR due to the requirement to prove residence in UK by way of Utility Bills etc.
For years I had enjoyed SSR ... then .... Please submit following ......

It made no difference that I included my two sons as 'co-owners' as living in UK ... the fact that I was no longer resident UK - voided SSR.
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I agree at time of renewal you now need proof of bills etc.


We may go Polish next time, not so much for residence but as flag state unexpectedly became a thing instead of VAT paid. It may be sorted by 2025.
 
goeasy123 said:
OP here... What a mine of useful knowledge!!

Why I don't want Part 1. Mainly inconvenience... 'cause I've already got Part 3, hassle, and cost of getting Part 1. The boat is not in the UK (Italy) and needs the survey for P1. Although. the boat had P1 with a previous owner and still has the plaque, so maybe the survey is still on record somewhere. And do I not need specific kit on board as a P1 vessel.... flares, extinguishers and the like?... or is that something else.... 'coding'?

I like wonky's IHT avoidancce scheme. I might by a big FO boat and 'share' it with the kids.


Are you sure international law doesn't mandate registration and the flying of a flag? Everything online suggests you do, but typically no one cites source law. I've tried to find source with no result so far. Any ideas? This brings up an interesting opportunity....

Irish owners have a problem in that the authorities have withdrawn their equivalent of P3 leaving only a full, onerous and expensive commercial option. The Irish Sailing Association have responded by keeping their own register and issuing Certificates of Identity. The purpose is solely to prove ownership to foreign (in particular EU) authorities. I'm not sure if you can then fly a Tricolour and thus avoid the attention of EU frontline authorities??
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You don't need to get the boat 'coded' unless you are racing or using it for commercial purposes. Part 1 is not a condition survey, its just a measurement for tonnage. Its not interested in what you have on board.
 
Graham376 said:
The trick is to make it appear you still live in UK, not just for SSR. Many banks are closing accounts for folks they know don't meet the residence rules and there's also the possibility of being struck off by GP and the rest of the health system.
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I have lost my Natwest account that I had since I was 13yrs old .... that's over 50yrs ....

No messing ... no questions ... BHAM - closed.

As to NHS etc. - if you are EU, even any nationality ... then that's not such a terminal matter ... so please leave out the 'scare mongering' ...
 
pandroid said:
You don't need to get the boat 'coded' unless you are racing or using it for commercial purposes. Part 1 is not a condition survey, its just a measurement for tonnage. Its not interested in what you have on board.
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Correct - BUT ... when SSR advised me to go Pt 1 ... it would mean a Surveyor coming to 'gauge' the boat etc. -

You have to be joking - no way was I going to pay for some unknown to fly to Latvia and do a 10 minute job .... Of course fact that I am a Marine Surveyor meant ZILCH as I 'm not allowed to conduct on own behalf. When asked - Pt 1 refused to allow local Official Registry Inspector.
 
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