Parker 31, 325 and 335 actual LOA?

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Hello,
Questions for Parker aficionados if I may as I can't ask on the PSSA website: I'm trying to find the LOA as above. I don't trust broker's & other website's data as they just crib it from the web and I've seen too many inaccuracies...
Is the 31 actually 31' exactly? And that's that with the rudder down?
The PSSA state
"The 325 is a foot longer and 6 inches wider than the Parker 31" , which suggests that it's 32' - so what's the "5" of the 325?
They then go on to state
" The 335 is an upgrade of the 325 and the names reflects the actual overal length" - what does this mean with regard to LOA? Is it a foot longer? I recall reading that they had the same hull, although I could be imagining it? Or if it's only a foot longer than the 31 but is actually 33'6", then is the the 31 really 32'(6")?
Reason for being so picky is that we're limited to 32' at our club due to the width of the fairways.
Many thanks.
 
mogmog2 said:
Hello,
Questions for Parker aficionados if I may as I can't ask on the PSSA website: I'm trying to find the LOA as above. I don't trust broker's & other website's data as they just crib it from the web and I've seen too many inaccuracies...
Is the 31 actually 31' exactly? And that's that with the rudder down?
The PSSA state
"The 325 is a foot longer and 6 inches wider than the Parker 31" , which suggests that it's 32' - so what's the "5" of the 325?
They then go on to state
" The 335 is an upgrade of the 325 and the names reflects the actual overal length" - what does this mean with regard to LOA? Is it a foot longer? I recall reading that they had the same hull, although I could be imagining it? Or if it's only a foot longer than the 31 but is actually 33'6", then is the the 31 really 32'(6")?
Reason for being so picky is that we're limited to 32' at our club due to the width of the fairways.
Many thanks.
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We have similar restrictions for the berths in our club marina and the decision is made by the berth manager who measures the boat. So pretty pointless trying to get a measurement from published sources. Speak to who in the club determines the measurement method and apply that to the boat you are interested in.

Our club method includes any overhangs such as bowsprits or anchors at the front and rudders above the waterline, bathing platforms or davits for example at the stern.

In my case the boat is marginal at the minimum length for the berth I had for a bigger boat, so I measured it by the club method before I bought it. That measurement is completely different from any published measurement for the boat.
 
Tranona said:
We have similar restrictions for the berths in our club marina and the decision is made by the berth manager who measures the boat. So pretty pointless trying to get a measurement from published sources. Speak to who in the club determines the measurement method and apply that to the boat you are interested in.

Our club method includes any overhangs such as bowsprits or anchors at the front and rudders above the waterline, bathing platforms or davits for example at the stern.

In my case the boat is marginal at the minimum length for the berth I had for a bigger boat, so I measured it by the club method before I bought it. That measurement is completely different from any published measurement for the boat.
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Thanks. I've previously spoken to our current berthing chap (who's new to the role) and his response was at odds with how others saw it.
The constraint is purely practical and size is not precisely defined like yours. Our fairways are narrow and were laid out when the Centaur was a comfortable family boat...
There is a Feeling 326, which just fits - hence nitpicking about the Parker 325. I got consensus from the management that a Westerly Storm at 33' would be too big, and it then follows that the real length of the 325 would be too. C'est la vie.
 
The numbers ascribed to boats by the manufacturers seem to have a somewhat free association with the actual size. Yesterday I was reading that the Bavaria 34 " is actually 36 feet long." Then there's the difference between the original meaning of "Length Over All" which isn't actually overall length. LOA is officially (to naval architects) the distance from the bow, excluding any protrusion, to the after face of the rudder post where it appears on deck. To a marina however, overall length is the distance between the furthest forward bit of the boat, or anything on it, and the furthest rear bit. So an 18 foot hull as we would understand it may actually be charged for 32 feet if it has a 10 foot projection of a bowsprit and a piece of the gaff or boom sticking out 4 feet beyond the transom.
 
Bodach na mara said:
The numbers ascribed to boats by the manufacturers seem to have a somewhat free association with the actual size. Yesterday I was reading that the Bavaria 34 " is actually 36 feet long." Then there's the difference between the original meaning of "Length Over All" which isn't actually overall length. LOA is officially (to naval architects) the distance from the bow, excluding any protrusion, to the after face of the rudder post where it appears on deck. To a marina however, overall length is the distance between the furthest forward bit of the boat, or anything on it, and the furthest rear bit. So an 18 foot hull as we would understand it may actually be charged for 32 feet if it has a 10 foot projection of a bowsprit and a piece of the gaff or boom sticking out 4 feet beyond the transom.
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Pal of mine left a well known Solent based Marina because they upped his fees into the next bracket because he'd forgotten to stow his anchor .. it was still sitting over the bow roller.
He removed the anchor and requested a remeasure. Marina refused ... so my pal said - ****** **** ... I'm off !
 
Bodach na mara said:
The numbers ascribed to boats by the manufacturers seem to have a somewhat free association with the actual size. Yesterday I was reading that the Bavaria 34 " is actually 36 feet long." Then there's the difference between the original meaning of "Length Over All" which isn't actually overall length. LOA is officially (to naval architects) the distance from the bow, excluding any protrusion, to the after face of the rudder post where it appears on deck. To a marina however, overall length is the distance between the furthest forward bit of the boat, or anything on it, and the furthest rear bit. So an 18 foot hull as we would understand it may actually be charged for 32 feet if it has a 10 foot projection of a bowsprit and a piece of the gaff or boom sticking out 4 feet beyond the transom.
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There is now an ISO standard for measurement which is used on the certifying documents. However marketing people have their own measuring standard that seeks to position the boat in the most favourable spot in the market.

In the past even designers and builders often had no clear idea of what measurement is used so again just picked a figure that suited them. For determining berth and berth charging sizes it is best like my club to establish a method that determines the space taken up by the boat. Our method is total length including any protrusions multiplied by extreme beam.
 
A certain German car Co has an interesting history of numbering their cars around the 2 litre size .... basically based on the old taxation of company provided cars.... they actually called a line of 2.0L 's 1800's ..... to get under the 2.0L tax bracket ..
 
mogmog2 said:
Thanks. That article is part of what underpins my question: if the 325 is 33'6" and it's only a foot longer than the 31 (PSSA "The 325 is a foot longer and 6 inches wider than the Parker 31"), then the 31 isnt 31' 🤔
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I notice 31 feet is almost universally given on the web but the below post suggests it might actually be 30 feet but not sure if that includes the transom hung rudder or not

Post in thread 'Parker 30'
Parker 30
 
Refueler said:
A certain German car Co has an interesting history of numbering their cars around the 2 litre size .... basically based on the old taxation of company provided cars.... they actually called a line of 2.0L 's 1800's ..... to get under the 2.0L tax bracket ..
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Presumably the tax man didn’t trouble him or herself to check the engine size on the V5 or similar

These days it’s often the same engine with different EMS maps to give different power outputs rather than each model having a different engine size.
 
Refueler said:
A certain German car Co has an interesting history of numbering their cars around the 2 litre size .... basically based on the old taxation of company provided cars.... they actually called a line of 2.0L 's 1800's ..... to get under the 2.0L tax bracket ..
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Most “ 2 litre “:engines were actually 1,999 cc or similar to mimimise the tax issues. Italy was particularly draconian tax wise above 2 litre so many posh cars had sub-2 litre variants for Italy in place of 3 litre or more elsewhere.
 
Lucky Duck said:
Which can be rather annoying now as the approved mileage rate jumps steeply at 2 litres and above
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You should see the Road Tax over here !!

They got wise to variance of power - engine size etc - so now they base on three factors :

1. Private or Company Owned and if used privately
2. KW (HP)
3. Engine size (cc)

So example : My RR 4.4L TDV8 ... I pay 2500 euros a year ... based on private use of company owned car ... 320HP ... and 4367 cc
 
I’m down at my boat (Parker 31) tonight so I’ll measure it. My suspicion has always been it’s 30 ft stem to transom and the rudder makes up the extra foot.
 
Lucky Duck said:
I notice 31 feet is almost universally given on the web but the below post suggests it might actually be 30 feet but not sure if that includes the transom hung rudder or not

Post in thread 'Parker 30'
Parker 30
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Interesting post and it just compounds the confusion 😄 and doesn't really provide any answers. I looked at the links there here are lots of boat data websites, but who knows where they got their data.
As an additional matter, I'm now aware of (some/most?) places rounding up to the nearest metre AFAICT, so I really want to know 😄. Notwithstanding the physical constraints at the club.
 
mogmog2 said:
Interesting post and it just compounds the confusion 😄 and doesn't really provide any answers. I looked at the links there here are lots of boat data websites, but who knows where they got their data.
As an additional matter, I'm now aware of (some/most?) places rounding up to the nearest metre AFAICT, so I really want to know 😄. Notwithstanding the physical constraints at the club.
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My boat’s declared length is 10.4m and as far as I’m aware most places (including my home berth) charge on that basis. Two examples that don’t are Lymington town quay who round up or places that charge in bands such as Littlehampton
 
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