Irish Rover
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I don't have a definitive answer for this but I would assume that if the boat is in the EU on temporary admission then the EU resident owner cannot be onboard and vice versa if the boat is in the UK on TA.
Owning EU based boat...practicalities...
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Irish Rover
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Many years ago I bought a new boat in Türkiye and registered it in the name of my company. I found out somewhat later that only an operator with a commercial licence could operator the boat. I don't know if it's the same in other countries.
KompetentKrew
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VAT is payable on import, and OP asks about keeping his boat in France and bringing it into the UK for only a single day.
Are you saying that a UK resident is deemed to have imported a boat as soon as it touches British shores? I assumed there would be a forbearance period of 6 or 12 months.
Tranona
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Exactly what I am saying. There is no "grace" period. The act of importing is classified as a "chargeable event" for VAT purposes. There are a number of reliefs that I alluded to but they in turn are very restrictive and a UK resident bringing in a boat he owns from outside the UK does not qualify for any of the reliefs.
KompetentKrew
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Thank you very much.
Whiterose
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Having just been in this position..if you buy a UK registered boat that was in EU on 31st Dec 20/21 and vat paid it can stay and circulate freely …you can’t….you have 90/180 days.If you return to UK you will have to pay VAT (again?).
if you take Uk Boat that is now in UK you will have to leave EU for a day minimum every 180 days eg Tunisia /Maroc ..Better to have UK registered boat already in EU ..not a boat registered as an EU boat (you will then be liable to all the various regulations and tests etc eg Spain.)
if you take Uk Boat that is now in UK you will have to leave EU for a day minimum every 180 days eg Tunisia /Maroc ..Better to have UK registered boat already in EU ..not a boat registered as an EU boat (you will then be liable to all the various regulations and tests etc eg Spain.)
Refueler
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My boat was SSR for years ... later on checking online - found I would need to prove UK residence ...
So I split the 'ownership' to myself (EU resident) and my oldest son (UK resident). SSR was refused on basis of my non UK residence despite naming my son.
I had long discussion on phone with SSR .... they flatly refused.
BUT a boat in EU can have registration with such split ownership.
Mistroma
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I take it you meant that the boat needs to leave the EU for at least a day every 18 months. The owner needs to leave for 90 days after 180 days (assuming UK citizen). Doesn't help much as boat is left unused for long periods.
lustyd
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Can stay for any 90 days within a 180 day rolling window.
nortada
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If your boat was on the SSR for years, why did you have any problems renewing that SSR when it became due?
Now the ‘cat is out of the bag’ why not sell your boat to your son for £1 + other considerations and using his ownership (backed by a bill of sale) and UK address, he should be able to register it on the SSR?
Similar thread running In Liveaboard Link:- Registration.
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Mistroma
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Yes, typo. I meant leave for 90 days after staying 90 days. I was more focussed on the comment about the boat having to leave after 180 days and correcting that part.
Managed to introduce another error in the process.
Tranona
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You can have split ownership with Part 1. You have to recognise the very specific nature of the Small Ships Register. It was introduced specifically to provide a means for UK residents to comply with international maritime law requirement for a means of proving the flag state of their boat when visiting other countries. It was prompted by pressure from the French government as they have written into their own domestic law a requirement for visiting boats to provide such proof. (I used to have copies of all the Hansard reports on the debates where the background was discussed - sad, but it was then part of my job to have some knowledge of such things!).
It was a very simple process and served us well, but over the years, particularly since free movement diversified the population of the UK it was open to abuse resulting in large numbers of boats/owners using the register that did not match the original intention of the scheme, hence the tightening up of the system, particularly the eligibility rules.
Part 1 is still open to just about anyone and I am amazed that more people who don't qualify for SSR don't use it given that it does not carry the baggage that many other registrations do and additionally provides the added security of registration of title.
Tranona
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Because the rules do not allow this. See my post above.
Buck Turgidson
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Uk citizen, Swiss resident, boat is part 1 , EU vat status, berthed in Spain.
It’s simple!
It’s simple!
Refueler
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I was advised by SSR to go Part 1. But that meant Survey etc.
Selling to my Son ... was considered and regarded as last resort ...
On checking with Latvian Register .... turned out guy (Lat Ship Inspector) who would inspect the boat was a pal of mine, and the registration was for life .... cost about 40 Euros.
So in fact I ended up with a better deal all round.
Refueler
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I did consider Part 1 ... but in the end Latvian Registration states Owner Title, gives full lifetime of boat registration for small cost and simple Ships Register Inspection ....
There are many actual Registers that literally are an online matter ..... Swedish as example.
Pal of mine just put his B31 on Swedish .... filled in form online ... paid the fee .... done.
