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Can anyone tell me what this boat is.... and what other boats are similar?

It moored up behind me at the weekend and ticks all the boxes I'm looking for in a new boat. The hull was steel if anyone was wondering.

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30boat said:
What a pretty thing.Bet it's not all that slow too.
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It arrived from Holland with a lovely couple aboard. I said that it was my perfect boat and ticked all my boxes... he replied. "Yah, we in enjoy it very much" in a German accent :)

They were on the way to the Azores.
 
Its a Colin Archer type hull design, probably custom built. Based on the Norwegian lifeboats from the late 19th century. Popular among bluewater sailors, although rather out of fashion now. Many were built in steel in Germany and Holland. Many GRP incarnations such as Westsail, Hans Christian, Pacific Seacraft, mostly US originated but often built in Taiwan. William Atkins designed many similar boats, usually wooden - Suhali is one example.

If you are looking for that type of boat you will find an enormous range, often for sale as a result of failed dreams. Very popular with home builders and often built of ferro. They have that nostalgic look that attracts people to the alternative life style. Professional custom built boats like the one in your photo are likely to be hugely expensive for what they offer. They appeal to a very small market and are expensive to build, but enough demand to keep secondhand prices high.
 
Tranona said:
Its a Colin Archer type hull design, probably custom built. Based on the Norwegian lifeboats from the late 19th century. Popular among bluewater sailors, although rather out of fashion now. Many were built in steel in Germany and Holland. Many GRP incarnations such as Westsail, Hans Christian, Pacific Seacraft, mostly US originated but often built in Taiwan. William Atkins designed many similar boats, usually wooden - Suhali is one example.

If you are looking for that type of boat you will find an enormous range, often for sale as a result of failed dreams. Very popular with home builders and often built of ferro. They have that nostalgic look that attracts people to the alternative life style. Professional custom built boats like the one in your photo are likely to be hugely expensive for what they offer. They appeal to a very small market and are expensive to build, but enough demand to keep secondhand prices high.
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Many thanks for this. Although out dated would you say they are still particularly seaworthy in comparison to modern blue water goers? What is it that makes them so desirable to keep the prices hike up still?
 
northcave said:
Many thanks for this. Although out dated would you say they are still particularly seaworthy in comparison to modern blue water goers? What is it that makes them so desirable to keep the prices hike up still?
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That is a difficult one to answer. The popularity in the past was probably due to the fact that old workboats were often the basis for bluewater boats as those were the ones available. So they gain the image of being suitable for the job. Things have moved on a bit but nostalgia still attaches to some things. You might want to read Nigel Calder who started his bluewater career in a boat like that - US built, and then changed to a modern version (a Crealock) - but only kept it for a short time before changing again to a Malo.

His reasons obviously focus on the downsides of that hull form. Slow, roll badly downwind, heavy, so need a lot of sail to get them going, poor in light airs, poor accommodation for length and claustrophobic down below. Plus side is strong and can take a lot of heavy weather.

It would be surprising if more modern designs were not an improvement over one that is over 130 years old, but equally some people are attracted to boats that "look right" and fit their image of what a boat should be. The fact that few boats are now built in that style suggests that people who half a million or more to spend (expect that boat would be even more) find their needs met better with other designs! But of course if you are spending less on a secondhand boat you may make a different choice.

If you think about it, the Colin Archer was designed as a lifeboat for all weather use in arctic waters, so if you plan sailing in those types of conditions then there is a lot to be said for using the hull form. Different hull forms have evolved for different conditions and if you look at what most people use for long distance voyaging you will see that they usually choose a different hull form, although there is still a great deal of variety.
 
Hi,

Look at Puffin Classic yachts by Olivier Van Meer. Always loved them but then I buy more classic boat magazines than I buy Yachting Monthly.

Jon
 
That boat doesn't look much like a Colin Archer apart from the stern.The bows are much finer and the hull shape appears to be more modern .It's still going to be a heavy displacement long keeler but I would bet one that performs better than a traditional Colin Archer type boat.
 
30boat said:
That boat doesn't look much like a Colin Archer apart from the stern.The bows are much finer and the hull shape appears to be more modern .It's still going to be a heavy displacement long keeler but I would bet one that performs better than a traditional Colin Archer type boat.
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The thing with Colin Archer types is that they get modified each time a designer chooses to use the basic shape. The aim is usually to reduce the negatives while still holding onto the perceived positives - and of course the looks. Slimming them down by drawing out the ends and fining the bow is common, but the inspiration is still there.
 
Tranona said:
Its a Colin Archer type hull design, probably custom built. Based on the Norwegian lifeboats from the late 19th century. Popular among bluewater sailors, although rather out of fashion now. Many were built in steel in Germany and Holland. Many GRP incarnations such as Westsail, Hans Christian, Pacific Seacraft, mostly US originated but often built in Taiwan. William Atkins designed many similar boats, usually wooden - Suhali is one example.

If you are looking for that type of boat you will find an enormous range, often for sale as a result of failed dreams. Very popular with home builders and often built of ferro. They have that nostalgic look that attracts people to the alternative life style. Professional custom built boats like the one in your photo are likely to be hugely expensive for what they offer. They appeal to a very small market and are expensive to build, but enough demand to keep secondhand prices high.
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