Orca Interaction Poll

[Mister E]

Been googling again with those twitch little fingers haven't we.

Darling I think that you need to read the earlier posts properly .
You know the ones you disagreed with.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Darling I think that you need to read the earlier posts properly .
You know the ones you disagreed with.

But the waters weren't closed for safety reasons and as I explained harbours on the Portuguese coast are periodically closed for safety / weather related reasons but never because of Orcas. I suspect you have never got that far so don't understand.

 

[capnsensible]

Well I've talked to thousands of spanish fishermen actually nearer a million and they told me is the only reasons they go to sea is to annoý irritable yachtsmen and steal the Orcas food.

 

[Mister E]

But the waters weren't closed for safety reasons and as I explained harbours on the Portuguese coast are periodically closed for safety / weather related reasons but never because of Orcas. I suspect you have never got that far so don't understand.

I have admitted that I got that bit wrong but areas of Cardigan Bay in the Irish Sea are regularly closed for safety reasons.
So it is possible to do so if the relevant authorities want to for reasons other than weather.

Any way after around five years of the problem with the Orcas has there been anything done?
Except for Portuguese boat yards increasing their profits repairing boats.

 

[Rappey]

They can't ban transiting yachts and they are hardly likely to ban yacht ownership and close marinas which make the communities infinitely more money than a few whale watchers.
Try talking sense.

Yet here was a ban that was imposed by the Spanish government. It was widely publicised and was even discused on here.

Orcas knock into sailboats, force Spain to limit yachting

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I have admitted that I got that bit wrong but areas of Cardigan Bay in the Irish Sea are regularly closed for safety reasons.
So it is possible to do so if the relevant authorities want to for reasons other than weather.

Any way after around five years of the problem with the Orcas has there been anything done?
Except for Portuguese boat yards increasing their profits repairing boats.

That's because of the range. There are many MOD and other countries ranges that have exclusion zones and have done for as long as I have known.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Yet here was a ban that was imposed by the Spanish government. It was widely publicised and was even discused on here.

Orcas knock into sailboats, force Spain to limit yachting

An unenforcible ban with yachts allowed to leave port but not remain near the coast with no definition of near and nonsensical 15M limit.

 

[Mister E]

Yet here was a ban that was imposed by the Spanish government. It was widely publicised and was even discused on here.

Orcas knock into sailboats, force Spain to limit yachting

Thank you for this so it was Spain and not Portugal.
Thus I got the country wrong and didn't make it up.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Thank you for this so it was Spain and not Portugal.
Thus I got the country wrong and didn't make it up.

Yes you did

 

[Mister E]

An unenforcible ban with yachts allowed to leave port but not remain near the coast with no definition of near and nonsensical 15M limit.

So Spain didn't ban boats from their international waters on safety grounds.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

So Spain didn't ban boats from their international waters on safety grounds.

It was an unenforcible ban they even allowed boats to leave ports within the so called ban area with no proscribed limit. And obviously didn't enforce it to transiting boats.

 

[Mister E]

DIt was an unenforcible ban they even allowed boats to leave ports within the so called ban area with no proscribed limit.

Did the boats have to leave their territorial waters when they left the port?
Was there a sanction if they didn't?
What is to stop the authorities in the effected areas doing the same again but with massive fines for non compliance?

 

[Mister E]

So why did they ban yachts from their territorial waters on safety grounds.
You know the risk and you choose to accept it if you sail it that area if not go elsewhere.

You are the one that shoots little feathered things for fun, not surprising that you are in favour of killing other creatures as well at the first excuse.

Notice that I didn't say which country and also didn't reply to anything about country.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Did the boats have to leave their territorial waters when they left the port?
Was there a sanction if they didn't?
What is to stop the authorities in the effected areas doing the same again but with massive fines for non compliance?

You tell me

 

[Rappey]

It was an unenforcible ban they even allowed boats to leave ports within the so called ban

There were no ports within the ban area. Please stop continually making things up.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

There were no ports within the ban area. Please stop continually making things up.

Pleas learn to read a little more carefully

"Boats can leave port to go into the open sea between the capes of the Prioriño Grande and la Punta de Estaca de Bares, but they must not remain near the coast off the country’s northwestern tip"

Those ports are at the ends of the so called exclusion zone.

 

[Rappey]

Pleas learn to read a little more carefully

Yes. There are still no ports in the area of exclusion shown on the map no matter how you argue it

they even allowed boats to leave ports within the so called ban area

???

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Yes. There are still no ports in the area of exclusion shown on the map no matter how you argue it

???

There are anchorages though.

 

[WindyWindyWindy]

I don’t think trackers would work when they can travel 100nm in a day and many boats don’t have Internet.

They might well have AIS though. Virtual AIS has quite a range using shore stations to transmit the locations.
It'd also give you a chance to check where they are before you set off, which would help to minimise "interactions".

There also is an effective pinger already, firecrackers seem to be effective and don't appear to have harmed the Orcas.

 

[Sea Change]

They might well have AIS though. Virtual AIS has quite a range using shore stations to transmit the locations.
It'd also give you a chance to check where they are before you set off, which would help to minimise "interactions".

My preferred option is AIS enabled trackers on the known problem orcas.
Normally the hard part is finding the animals in the first place. But all they have to do in this case is to sail around for a few days and the orcas will find them soon enough. Then you fire a tag which attaches to the dorsal fin.

It's all been done before, although the trackers haven't been very long lived. That's presumably something that can be improved upon.

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