capnsensible
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Not according to biologists who classify species. ?
Orca attack
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capnsensible
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I've seen lots of pods of common dolphins along that coast and a few times, bottle nose. Further out, the somewhat docile and slow moving pilot whales.
SaltIre
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webcraft
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Just spoken to a friend who works for the lifeboat service in Cascais. They went out 5am yesterday to tow a disabled yacht in. The tow took 5 hours because of the sea state and because, as he pointed out, boats with broken rudders don't tow straight, they zigzag all over the place.
He says he has personally spoken to six skippers of boats currently in Cascais marina waiting on rudder replacement or repair.
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He says he has personally spoken to six skippers of boats currently in Cascais marina waiting on rudder replacement or repair.
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SaltIre
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Why did the rudders break?
webcraft
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Travelling Westerly
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WTF!
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Animalia
Chordata
Mammalia
Artiodactyla
Cetacea
Delphinidae
Orcinus
Orca
Linnaeus
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SaltIre
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Why did you post WTF?WTF!
#184 didn't state why the rudders had broken, indeed all it said was there are six skippers awaiting rudder repair or replacement.
Rudders break for lots of reasons...
Had it said the rudders were damaged by whales it would have been obvious - but it didn't.
webcraft
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Why did you post WTF?
#184 didn't state why the rudders had broken, indeed all it said was there are six skippers awaiting rudder repair or replacement.
Rudders break for lots of reasons...
Had it said the rudders were damaged by whales it would have been obvious - but it didn't.
It's pretty obvious in a thread titled 'Orca Attack' that is specifically about Orcas attacking and damaging yacht rudders.
Or so I would have thought?
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Travelling Westerly
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You are pulling my leg on this aren't you, please tell me you are....Why did you post WTF?
#184 didn't state why the rudders had broken, indeed all it said was there are six skippers awaiting rudder repair or replacement.
Rudders break for lots of reasons...
Had it said the rudders were damaged by whales it would have been obvious - but it didn't.
cherod
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watching recent Youtube vid,
skip freaked out , " orcas attack , rudder broke and prop shaft bent " ,, called coast guard , couple of hours tow into nearest marina , 900 E
some discarded fishing net wrapped round prop ,, removed with boat hook !!
skip freaked out , " orcas attack , rudder broke and prop shaft bent " ,, called coast guard , couple of hours tow into nearest marina , 900 E
some discarded fishing net wrapped round prop ,, removed with boat hook !!
SaltIre
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Indeed. Rudder broke from another of the many reasons for damage....watching recent Youtube vid,
skip freaked out , " orcas attack , rudder broke and prop shaft bent " ,, called coast guard , couple of hours tow into nearest marina , 900 E
some discarded fishing net wrapped round prop ,, removed with boat hook !!
greeny
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Come on guys.
Can we stop the petty arguments and concentrate this thread on facts and constructive suggestions.
Its getting to be like kindergarden.
Can we stop the petty arguments and concentrate this thread on facts and constructive suggestions.
Its getting to be like kindergarden.
Yet again petty squabbles risk bringing a close to another thread. Several posts have been removed and two users barred from the thread for a three day cooling off period.
No one owns the thread, no one owns the topic under discussion (per title). Much of what is posted is anecdotal, very few (if any) here will have first hand experience or be able to speak with any degree of empirical authority, it is a subject open to opinion, and as the popular maxim has it, we've all got one of those regardless.
Please express those opinions in a civil manner, respect the opinions of others whether you agree with them or not, that way the thread will remain in play.
No one owns the thread, no one owns the topic under discussion (per title). Much of what is posted is anecdotal, very few (if any) here will have first hand experience or be able to speak with any degree of empirical authority, it is a subject open to opinion, and as the popular maxim has it, we've all got one of those regardless.
Please express those opinions in a civil manner, respect the opinions of others whether you agree with them or not, that way the thread will remain in play.
capnsensible
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Have you sailed the waters under discussion?
My 'opinion' having done so a lot is that there may be a safe route. There are big numbers of pot markers between the 10 and 20 metre contours. Plus a big fish farm off Faro and another just on the Spanish side off of Ayamonte. I've seen lots of dolphins( various) in that area but never inside the pots and farms.
That could conceivably be a safer option for making passage along that coast. What do you think? No empirical authority required. Best guess will do for me. ????
Graham376
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May well work, the tuna nets were extended east 2-3 years ago. We've used the route inside the nets between Faro and Tavira a few times in the past. Care needed near the eastern entrance to Ria Formosa used by trawlers as the banks have extended a fair bit south. That entrance not recommended without local knowledge.
nortada
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Sorry, but to have to disagree.
Many posting on here have extensive first hand experience of operating in the area of interest and possibly most important, who to approach and how to approach the authorities on the Iberian Peninsular.
Far from anecdotal, much of their experience is from close contact with the crews on boats that have been attacked and access to the boats themselves (to see the results). They also speak with the local seafaring community, who also have a significant interest in getting this problem resolved.
Because this is such an important subject, by request, the thread was made a stickie so if the actions of a few lead to the thread being closed it would be a serious loss to those who are most affected.
Agree, trouble making bystanders should be hammered but please keep in perspective the importance here.??
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capnsensible
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Good post.
Kelpie
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Just been talking to another sailor here in Lagos, whose Nauticat was attacked not far from here. Despite having one of the most robust rudder designs available, his rudder was reduced to a bare shaft. Possibly the tangs were beyond their best anyway. Interestingly he was able to continue using his Hydrovane alone.
The attack started whilst in calm conditions under motor at night time. From within the wheelhouse he initially thought it was a problem with the autopilot. The animals were quiet and simply pressing the rudder against its stops. He believes all of the damage was done in the first few seconds. He tried motoring astern but by then it was already too late.
The attack started whilst in calm conditions under motor at night time. From within the wheelhouse he initially thought it was a problem with the autopilot. The animals were quiet and simply pressing the rudder against its stops. He believes all of the damage was done in the first few seconds. He tried motoring astern but by then it was already too late.