PetiteFleur
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Jaguar 27? - not racing but I was always faster than my friends Contessa 28 when cruising...
Older boats you could win a club event with
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Quandary
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Ruffian 23, fleets still racing every week in Hong Kong, Dublin Bay and Belfast Lough with a class championship every year. (Ruffian 28s and 30s seem only to cruise now but they all won races in their time)
A1Sailor
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Well yes...
I raced my first Sadler25 occasionally, and couldn't get anywhere near beating another Sadler 25 that raced regularly. Now it might be because I was hopeless, but I've since discovered that Sadler 25s had different rigs but were all given the same handicap. My guess is that a boat with a taller mast and bigger sails will have an advantage!
E39mad
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Carter 30
Excaliber 36
Excaliber 36
johnalison
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There must have been something wrong with the Javelin. We used to beat Invictas with the Javelin's smaller sister, a Mystere.
Debenair
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+1 for Sunshine 38, a real ferret upwind, although with a tendency to fall over under spinnaker on a windy close reach.
Would probably rate well with a 105% headsail and a code one for the light stuff. For its age it had plenty of sail, and with our No3 sheeted to added tracks inboard on the coachroof it was dynamite upwind. So much so when cruising if it blew we would proceed under No3 alone.
The Parker 31 and its derivatives seemed to need plenty of breeze to overcome the drag from that huge baseplate on the drop keel.
Under PY the smaller boats seemed to suffer from the fact that the builders claimed displacement must have been hundreds of kilos less than in reality. The Super Seal was handicapped on the basis of the early boats which were outboard powered, whereas almost without exception the boats had heavy Bukh diesels with all the associated gear and weight.
Would probably rate well with a 105% headsail and a code one for the light stuff. For its age it had plenty of sail, and with our No3 sheeted to added tracks inboard on the coachroof it was dynamite upwind. So much so when cruising if it blew we would proceed under No3 alone.
The Parker 31 and its derivatives seemed to need plenty of breeze to overcome the drag from that huge baseplate on the drop keel.
Under PY the smaller boats seemed to suffer from the fact that the builders claimed displacement must have been hundreds of kilos less than in reality. The Super Seal was handicapped on the basis of the early boats which were outboard powered, whereas almost without exception the boats had heavy Bukh diesels with all the associated gear and weight.
Robert Wilson
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I often wondered about that.
My brother who at that time as the skipper/helmsman always took the credit for the successes, while I was a lowly crew.
Looking back I can't believe that the Invicta's hull shape was anywhere near as "sleek n swift" as the Javelin.
Perhaps the Javelin's sails were past it?
Dipper
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Waarschip and Robber 3E.
Five of us went on a trip from Weymouth to Cherbourg and Alderney in a Robber 3E. It's barely got sitting room let alone standing room so it was quite cramped. The F6 to F7 NE wind in Braye Harbour was interesting.
mrming
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There's a modified Robber in our fleet (taller rig and masthead kite). It's largely unbeatable in all but light winds. In terms of the Waarschip, "Love in a mist" seems to go pretty well.
Concerto
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Nicholson 30
Nicholson ½ tonner
Pioneer 30/9 metre/10 metre
Starlight 30
Westerly Fulmar
Westerly Storm
Westerly Ocean 33
Westerly Typhoon
Nicholson ½ tonner
Pioneer 30/9 metre/10 metre
Starlight 30
Westerly Fulmar
Westerly Storm
Westerly Ocean 33
Westerly Typhoon
johnalison
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The Invicta was a decent boat of its kind, but hardly a racer. It's waterline length was reasonable, so it was good on a reach, but the bluff bows held it back on a beat. We raced anything on the Blackwater, from Pandoras to Frank Mulville's Iskra (once).
Dipper
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I'd better add my Seawolf 26 since I won the Points Trophy at our club one year.
Another Seawolf 26 won its class in one of the RTIR and I think came something like 7th overall.
Another Seawolf 26 won its class in one of the RTIR and I think came something like 7th overall.
Robert Wilson
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Not that I'm in anyway a marine architect, but I'm inclined and prepared to agree with you on that.
She (Zeeheks) was a good family sailing boat which also acquitted herself well in evening races and the Falmouth Week Regattas.
Also my first ever single-handed sail, so I have very fond memories of her.
Now the Javelin30, THAT is a very attractive boat and a real joy to sail.
Daydream believer
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If you can find a good race tuned Stella for a small boat race in light airs you would be Ok.
Most boats mentioned in the list are really just average & not really exceptional. However, the Steven Jones SJ30 would be a race winner with age allowance. As would his earlier 32 ft versions.
If you can find a Hydro that would be a fairly competitive boat with age allowance.
The Impala can still hold its own in a race.
Most boats mentioned in the list are really just average & not really exceptional. However, the Steven Jones SJ30 would be a race winner with age allowance. As would his earlier 32 ft versions.
If you can find a Hydro that would be a fairly competitive boat with age allowance.
The Impala can still hold its own in a race.
dragonvc
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Excellent thread and I recently went through the purchase of this type of boat and ended up with a Hydro 28 which I am very pleased with at sensible money and a lot of the boats I was considering are on the list ,top of my list if funds available would be an x332 .If Round The cans racing the chances are a medium to light airs boat will be what is required,if coastal racing then a more all round boat.The rating system and its quirks then come into the equation,running back stays seem to attract a lot of penalty but I found on short courses less than a mile there was little advantage ,on long courses maybe.The heavier boats such as a Swan 38 or Sigma 38 will only perform force4-5 and up nice boats though they are.The cost of club racing in terms of boat cost has never been cheaper the number of participants has dropped off due to increased mooring costs probably and maybe time constraints.
Keen_Ed
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Jo Richards's (84 FD Bronze medalist. Naval architect (Laser Pico etc)) Eeyore. A rather breathed on Alacrity. New deck, keel & rig.
mrming
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Have defeated an SJ30 with an Impala. That said the SJ30 was / is a great boat. In the past there has also been a Laser 28 in the mix, and let's just say that if the wind was lighter it was gone. You wouldn't even see it by the end.
Quandary
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As an ex Sigma 38 owner who has raced a bit, I do not agree with that penultimate sentence. You can win in a broad handicap fleet such as at WHYW with a Sigma 38 in <6kts of wind if you know what you are doing.
horatio_nelson
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I would like to add Scanmar 33 to the list. I've joined the local sailing club and got racing insurance cover. Just waiting for my brand new Selden rig and Kemp sails to be fitted then I will proceed to kick arse and clean up in the local racing scene in a 1984 Swedish cruiser-racer
Robert Wilson
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I am totally amazed at the number of different makes of yachts included in the foregoing posts.
Has anybody got any idea what is the total of all yachts designed and taken through to numbers-production since, say 1950?
Perhaps there is a register somewhere?
Has anybody got any idea what is the total of all yachts designed and taken through to numbers-production since, say 1950?
Perhaps there is a register somewhere?