Older boats you could win a club event with

horatio_nelson said:
I would like to add Scanmar 33 to the list. I've joined the local sailing club and got racing insurance cover. Just waiting for my brand new Selden rig and Kemp sails to be fitted then I will proceed to kick arse and clean up in the local racing scene in a 1984 Swedish cruiser-racer :)
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Always good to have a plan! :D Nice looking boat incidentally...

Robert Wilson said:
I am totally amazed at the number of different makes of yachts included in the foregoing posts.
Has anybody got any idea what is the total of all yachts designed and taken through to numbers-production since, say 1950?
Perhaps there is a register somewhere?
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http://sailboatdata.com has 7,700 listed so at a guess maybe 10,000 might not be too far off the mark assuming there are some gaps in their records.
 
mrming said:
Haha - building a bandit by adding a modern rig to an old design does seem very popular these days, but I reckon the L17 might be a bridge too far. The Alacrity posted earlier looks pretty great though.
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I've always had a hankering to do that with a Westerly Jouster - looks as slow as a really slow thing, but it's a sweet hull.
 
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In the end, you could win a club event with pretty much anything that's not a complete dog if you're prepared to put the effort into getting the boat sailing well. Just look at the typical spread of one design results outside major regattas. There's as much a wide spread of performance between crews with equal boats as there is between crews with boats racing under a handicap.
 
lpdsn said:
In the end, you could win a club event with pretty much anything that's not a complete dog if you're prepared to put the effort into getting the boat sailing well. Just look at the typical spread of one design results outside major regattas. There's as much a wide spread of performance between crews with equal boats as there is between crews with boats racing under a handicap.
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Well said! This whole thread has amused me as I thought the whole point of non one design racing was that the boat was not so important.

In some ways you could say exactly the same in answer to a question (often asked here) along the lines of "what do you suggest for a good cruising boat" - when designers and builders have exactly the same question in mind when they decide to offer a boat to the market. The fact that the offerings are so diverse suggests there is no single answer.

A good example is the current thread on Sigma 362 - already has one reply that suggests another boat is a better bet, and if that trend continues you could easily get 10 perfectly satisfactory alternatives.
 
A boat you could win with?
A club event?

Club events vary a lot.

Do you want to win now and then? If so look for an 'outlyer', a boat which will excel when all the stars line up, e.g. a certain course and windstrength, maybe the fastest boat, maybe the slowest boat?
If you want to always be in the top bunch, maybe its better to have a boat nearer the middle of the range of your rivals?

If you look at 90% of the boats mentioned in this thread, they are non-radical cruiser racers of a certain era. The difference between them, once you take their CHS into account is probably much less than the advantage of going the right way up the beat and knowing the tides properly.

Anything that's not a tubby bilge keeler could do well with half decent sails, a clean bottom and a clean start. If sailed to its potential.
 
lw395 said:
A boat you could win with?
A club event?

Club events vary a lot.

Do you want to win now and then? If so look for an 'outlyer', a boat which will excel when all the stars line up, e.g. a certain course and windstrength, maybe the fastest boat, maybe the slowest boat?
If you want to always be in the top bunch, maybe its better to have a boat nearer the middle of the range of your rivals?

If you look at 90% of the boats mentioned in this thread, they are non-radical cruiser racers of a certain era. The difference between them, once you take their CHS into account is probably much less than the advantage of going the right way up the beat and knowing the tides properly.

Anything that's not a tubby bilge keeler could do well with half decent sails, a clean bottom and a clean start. If sailed to its potential.
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Hence the qualifier of "well set up and sailed". Obviously if you sail like an eejit it doesn't matter if it's the world's greatest IRC bandit.

Assuming the above there are boats that are better than others on handicap and the vast majority of them feature in this thread. Agreed there are outlier boats for certain conditions and that it helps to be in the middle of the rating band.
 
Tomahawk said:
Toledo 30..... PS, if you find one called Djin Seng... grab her. she sails like a deamon.
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I used to sail on djin seng , she was best toledo built , as built for nick strattons own use , we cleaned up in her with nick , she had different layup , different keel mast etc to standard toledos , although class two at the time we regularily sailed amongst the class one boats , quickly catching up ! , charlie frize also had a super dooper one called defiance . Great memories
 
markhomer said:
I used to sail on djin seng , she was best toledo built , as built for nick strattons own use , we cleaned up in her with nick , she had different layup , different keel mast etc to standard toledos , although class two at the time we regularily sailed amongst the class one boats , quickly catching up ! , charlie frize also had a super dooper one called defiance . Great memories
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Always felt sorry for the poor blokes that bought a standard boat that was never going to perform like his demonstrators seemed a bit of a con !
 
markhomer said:
I used to sail on djin seng , she was best toledo built , as built for nick strattons own use , we cleaned up in her with nick , she had different layup , different keel mast etc to standard toledos , although class two at the time we regularily sailed amongst the class one boats , quickly catching up ! , charlie frize also had a super dooper one called defiance . Great memories
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Yes indeed, I sold her to Big Nige.
Once saw her in Brighton on the brokers pontoon. Still miss her.
 
Not tried it but the previous owner of our Beneteau First 26 told me that they had won several 'pots' racing our boat... whatever that means...
 
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