Now HenryF is a YouTube star too!

[Seastoke]

I must say that I agree. I thought that aspect of health and safety was dealt with in an exemplary manner in the video in question.

The person driving the ship - from an entirely stable, secure and protected location (with zero risk of immersion) - did not wear a life jacket, but same was to hand, to accommodate any change in that risk profile.

The person stepping on and off the boat and interacting with lines amid a varied environment and who was actually facing a material risk of immersion wore a life jacket throughout such interactions.

As a separate point, it was also clear that both were expert at their respective roles and I’m sure they could take that - very nice - boat anywhere…

With the possible exception of Devon; although perhaps they even have a method statement that includes inverting the jam and cream on the scones for just such a circumstance?

This 55 is a commercial vessel which has to carry a written risk assessment as to why crew do not need to wear life jackets.

 

[Mr Googler]

So what you are saying you know more than the coast guard and the RNLI who both advise to wear life jackets at sea. So you believe that, and I bow to that ,some disagree .

You don’t where a life jacket on a ferry or on a plane (which spend most of their time over water). Level of risk is a judgement of a hazard becoming a reality so those mitigations of being available but not worn makes sense. I’d say the same applies on a 55ft boat on a flat calm day too.

I’ve absolutely have no doubt guests get a briefing on where jackets are and as you said, Mr H’s life jacket was to hand

I get the feeling you are being bit adversarial for it’s owns sake mate.

 

[Seastoke]

Well I made a similar mistake , the condoms were on the table next to me , but grabbed them to late .

 

[benjenbav]

This 55 is a commercial vessel which has to carry a written risk assessment as to why crew do not need to wear life jackets.

Doesn’t MGN80(M) put it the other way around: that, in this type of case of commercial vessel, there needs to be a statement for when life jackets should be donned? It used to. Maybe it’s been updated since I last looked.

 

[ari]

So what you are saying you know more than the coast guard and the RNLI who both advise to wear life jackets at sea. So you believe that, and I bow to that ,some disagree .

I'm saying that most of us can apply a little basic common sense.

Not all of us though, which is why the RNLI have to keep the message really really simple...

 

[wonkywinch]

Post deleted to keep the peace.

 

[Seastoke]

Corrected for you

Oh, and a couple more smileys in case you take me too seriously ..

That could be taken as an insult , but not me . Can you put this correct wonkywinch is not a tosser

 

[Seastoke]

I'm saying that most of us can apply a little basic common sense.

Not all of us though, which is why the RNLI have to keep the message really really simple...

I agree but in an incident do you have time to grab it. For me it is easy to wear NOW that's common sense .I also have my grab bag at the hem station.

 

[jfm]

I agree but in an incident do you have time to grab it.

Yes.

 

[Seastoke]

I realise that on this forum , you can't criticise, people like Henry ,Nick or jfmbut when Henry is on the fly I see his life jacket on the seat but not his passengers life jacket ??

 

[Mr Googler]

I realise that on this forum , you can't criticise, people like Henry ,Nick or jfmbut when Henry is on the fly I see his life jacket on the seat but not his passengers life jacket ??

No need if they are briefed on emergency plans…not allowed to high risk areas (such as up side decks / bow…jumping on to pontoons etc…

Do you wear a life jacket from the marina carpark to the boat? I would bet more people fall off pontoons than moving boats. I’ve never fallen of a boat (touch wood) but have nose dived off a pontoon more than once

You can criticise who you like (including me), but back it up mate and be prepaid to concede. I think the 3 names mentioned would readily take a challenge …but also challenge back which is most reasonable.

@jfm for example forwarded me his environmental impact and management assessment as he looses between 45-70 scatter cushions per year out the back. (A small dent in the 500 stock level maintained onboard at all times)

Wearing a life jacket at all times makes 1000% good sense. No getting away from that. I don’t think you can say others are doing wrong in some situations when they are not wearing them though.

New business plan….im going to make a t shift that doubles as a life jacket! When it comes to market…I’ll employ seacock as head of sales

 

[rafiki_]

Henry regularly wears his life jacket, including when he crewed Rafiki with me a couple of weeks ago, Portsmouth to the Itchen. Perhaps it was my helming that made him nervous?

 

[ari]

I agree but in an incident do you have time to grab it. For me it is easy to wear NOW that's common sense .I also have my grab bag at the hem station.

Given that I've asked you twice to describe an incident that wouldn't give Henry the 10 seconds needed to simply reach down and put it on, and all you've managed to do is mutter something about Yacht Masters and then later something about the RNLI, I'm not only going to go for 'yes, he would', but also conclude that it does rather seem like you think so too.

Perhaps you're just trying to Tell People Off on the Internet.

Anyway, we've gone way off topic, rather pointlessly as it turned out. So to finally drop this and return to the actual topic of the thread: Yay, Henry in a YouTube video!

 

[Seastoke]

Given that I've asked you twice to describe an incident that wouldn't give Henry the 10 seconds needed to simply reach down and put it on, and all you've managed to do is mutter something about Yacht Masters and then later something about the RNLI, I'm not only going to go for 'yes, he would', but also conclude that it does rather seem like you think so too.

Perhaps you're just trying to Tell People Off on the Internet.

Anyway, we've gone way off topic, rather pointlessly as it turned out. So to finally drop this and return to the actual topic of the thread: Yay, Henry in a YouTube video!

Ok arry being that you mentioned aliens one has picked him up and dropped him in the drink.

 

[Seastoke]

Going on what rafiki has said and going back to topic he took it off while filming .

 

[henryf]

Lifejackets take up a significant portion of our safety briefing when welcoming guests on board. We carry 17 life jackets as well as an additional 17 lifejackets specifically for use by guests when transiting from the boat to The Hut restaurant aboard their tender. We do this to ensure our boat complies with coding rules at all times even when guests are ashore at The Hut and if guests trigger their life jackets pre, during or post lunch we are still covered for the remainder of their day and subsequent charters.

Sharon performs “high risk” activities and so wears a life jacket at all times. She is also first response in the event of a man overboard situation. I would remain at the helm. If I perform high risk activities or am likely to perform them I wear a life jacket. With just 2 experienced boat owners on board I deemed it a low enough risk to remove my jacket but kept it to hand. Guests are restricted in where they can move around the boat and how they conduct themselves on board. We prohibit dancing or climbing on the seating for instance. So we don’t routinely require guests to wear life jackets at all times.

There are times such as entering the engine space or visiting a bathroom when wearing a life jacket could increase risk.

When helping Rafiki move his boat recently I was handling ropes and as such deemed high risk so my life jacket remained on at all times. The design and size of the boat meant that the risk of falling was higher than on the F55 as well.

Hope that provides a bit of background.

Henry

 

[benjenbav]

Lifejackets take up a significant portion of our safety briefing when welcoming guests on board. We carry 17 life jackets as well as an additional 17 lifejackets specifically for use by guests when transiting from the boat to The Hut restaurant aboard their tender. We do this to ensure our boat complies with coding rules at all times even when guests are ashore at The Hut and if guests trigger their life jackets pre, during or post lunch we are still covered for the remainder of their day and subsequent charters.

Sharon performs “high risk” activities and so wears a life jacket at all times. She is also first response in the event of a man overboard situation. I would remain at the helm. If I perform high risk activities or am likely to perform them I wear a life jacket. With just 2 experienced boat owners on board I deemed it a low enough risk to remove my jacket but kept it to hand. Guests are restricted in where they can move around the boat and how they conduct themselves on board. We prohibit dancing or climbing on the seating for instance. So we don’t routinely require guests to wear life jackets at all times.

There are times such as entering the engine space or visiting a bathroom when wearing a life jacket could increase risk.

When helping Rafiki move his boat recently I was handling ropes and as such deemed high risk so my life jacket remained on at all times. The design and size of the boat meant that the risk of falling was higher than on the F55 as well.

Hope that provides a bit of background.

Henry

Makes perfect sense. I can only reiterate my view that your approach, as demonstrated in Nick Aquaholic’s video, seemed to me to be exemplary.

 

[Mr Googler]

Lifejackets take up a significant portion of our safety briefing when welcoming guests on board. We carry 17 life jackets as well as an additional 17 lifejackets specifically for use by guests when transiting from the boat to The Hut restaurant aboard their tender. We do this to ensure our boat complies with coding rules at all times even when guests are ashore at The Hut and if guests trigger their life jackets pre, during or post lunch we are still covered for the remainder of their day and subsequent charters.

Sharon performs “high risk” activities and so wears a life jacket at all times. She is also first response in the event of a man overboard situation. I would remain at the helm. If I perform high risk activities or am likely to perform them I wear a life jacket. With just 2 experienced boat owners on board I deemed it a low enough risk to remove my jacket but kept it to hand. Guests are restricted in where they can move around the boat and how they conduct themselves on board. We prohibit dancing or climbing on the seating for instance. So we don’t routinely require guests to wear life jackets at all times.

There are times such as entering the engine space or visiting a bathroom when wearing a life jacket could increase risk.

When helping Rafiki move his boat recently I was handling ropes and as such deemed high risk so my life jacket remained on at all times. The design and size of the boat meant that the risk of falling was higher than on the F55 as well.

Hope that provides a bit of background.

Henry

Excellent explanation of extremely sound risk management strategy. There is a world where no one does anything due to the remote chance of risk. Not a world I live in. Having spent fast approaching 3 decades in an emergency service….we have no choice but manage risk…it’s about getting comfortable with it and having clear reasoning behind decisions.

Should I ever attend Seacock…I’ll be sure to explain how unfortunately I can’t step aboard his Sealine to provide medications for pain relief due to concerns over it’s structural integrity (from new). He’ll understand

 

[Seastoke]

Excellent explanation of extremely sound risk management strategy. There is a world where no one does anything due to the remote chance of risk. Not a world I live in. Having spent fast approaching 3 decades in an emergency service….we have no choice but manage risk…it’s about getting comfortable with it and having clear reasoning behind decisions.

Should I ever attend Seacock…I’ll be sure to explain how unfortunately I can’t step aboard his Sealine to provide medications for pain relief due to concerns over it’s structural integrity (from new). He’ll understand

Sealine

 

[ari]

Excellent explanation of extremely sound risk management strategy. There is a world where no one does anything due to the remote chance of risk. Not a world I live in. Having spent fast approaching 3 decades in an emergency service….we have no choice but manage risk…it’s about getting comfortable with it and having clear reasoning behind decisions.

Should I ever attend Seacock…I’ll be sure to explain how unfortunately I can’t step aboard his Sealine to provide medications for pain relief due to concerns over it’s structural integrity (from new). He’ll understand

Exactly that, a straightforward common sense approach, rather than slavishly parroting soundbites designed for people who can't think for themselves.