? NOT THE WAY TO TREAT YOUR FRIENDS - YOURS Mr DISGUSTED, LAGOS?

[NotBirdseye]

HIV is pretty much under control in the developed world. People should not be dying of it and it is possible to prevent transmission as well. There is still a long way to go in the developing world. However worldwide it is in decline and has been for at least a decade.

More people will die of Covid this year than AIDS - but not many times more.

To tack on here there is actually medication out there that makes it harder for to get HIV in the first place, it's called PrEP, whether this is a vaccine I am unsure. I completely concur that people not only should not be dying of it, they shouldn't even be getting it in the first place. It's relatively easy to get clean needles, easy to practice safe sex, blood transfusions are...safer than they used to be. In 2018 over 700,000 people died from AIDs the vast majority in Africa, but it's true we now have good and effective treatments.

 

[bedouin]

To tack on here there is actually medication out there that makes it harder for to get HIV in the first place, it's called PrEP, whether this is a vaccine I am unsure. I completely concur that people not only should not be dying of it, they shouldn't even be getting it in the first place. It's relatively easy to get clean needles, easy to practice safe sex, blood transfusions are...safer than they used to be. In 2018 over 700,000 people died from AIDs the vast majority in Africa, but it's true we now have good and effective treatments.

Not an expert but I don't think it is a vaccine - I think it is given to the infected person and makes it virtually impossible to pass on - even from mother to unborn child. I think this is now being used fairly widely (but not widely enough) in Africa and is a cause of the reduction in infections over the last decade.

 

[Koeketiene]

Professor Sarah Gilbert, leading the Oxford team, is very confident they already have the vaccine so it is now down to it's efficacy, safety and side-effects. She is that confident that both she and her sons are all taking part in the trials. According to Professor Gilbert, the vaccine is safe and the side-effects acceptable so it's now down to efficacy and accreditation. Because of the tragedy in Brazil, where the risk of contracting the virus is very high, Stage 3 testing is being conducted there.

Some words of caution about the Oxford vaccine.
You still get Covid19, you can still spread it, but you are unlikely to die from it if you have had that vaccine.
Not exactly the wonder cure we all hope and wait for.

 

[nortada]

Some words of caution about the Oxford vaccine.
You still get Covid19, you can still spread it, but you are unlikely to die from it if you have had that vaccine.
Not exactly the wonder cure we all hope and wait for.

This might just change your thoughts on the Oxford solution or any other vaccine.

 

[greeny]

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This might just change your thoughts on the Oxford solution or any other vaccine.

But surely having had it in order to have the correct t cells is basically what "herd immunity "is. You get it, you survive and you're immune for 17 years or so it may seem. Eventually most people have had it. Virus spread slows down and becomes rare. That's not a vaccination - yet. I agree it bodes well for the production of a successful vaccines but it's not there yet. Maybe we all just need to go round kissing dogs, yukk! (need to watch the video for that one).

 

[nortada]

But surely having had it in order to have the correct t cells is basically what "herd immunity "is. You get it, you survive and you're immune for 17 years or so it may seem. Eventually most people have had it. Virus spread slows down and becomes rare. That's not a vaccination - yet. I agree it bodes well for the production of a successful vaccines but it's not there yet. Maybe we all just need to go round kissing dogs, yuk! (need to watch the video for that one).

Rather than just herd immunity, Professor Sarah Gilbert (leading the Oxford vaccine team) said that to her surprise they discovered that their vaccine (now in Phase 3 field testing) is generating the development of T cells. Which, from research following the SARS virus (2002-3), have lasted 17 years.

Moreover those who have T cell SARS immunity appear to have some Covid immunity. This would explain, why those countries who suffered SARS have got off far more lightly with Covid.

Dogs, agree but you could go for bats, rats or cows.

 

[beermonkey]

I can’t imagine that the quarantine has been imposed out of spite. It would be done purely on statistics. And the quarantine isn’t about saving Great Britain, it’s about saving your family and friends because they are your first contact.
Two weeks is nothing. Suck it up?

Stats would have had noting to do with it. Stats would require the UK Gov actually collecting data in order to model it. The decision would have been made by some idiot intern on no pay making recommendations to the most incompetent Gov in UK history.

Two week is the difference between being able to say goodbye to a terminally ill relative and being stuck somewhere.

 

[Jegs]

Stats would have had noting to do with it. Stats would require the UK Gov actually collecting data in order to model it. The decision would have been made by some idiot intern on no pay making recommendations to the most incompetent Gov in UK history.

Two week is the difference between being able to say goodbye to a terminally ill relative and being stuck somewhere.

Or it might mean that quite a few, who are not terminally ill, do not die from the infection.

ATB,
John G

 

[Graham376]

Two week is the difference between being able to say goodbye to a terminally ill relative and being stuck somewhere.

If they're terminal on a ventilator, they won't know whether anyone's there or not.

 

[Hooligan]

I have to agree, I look around and despair. It’s like the message hasn’t penetrated. It’s so difficult social distancing when crowds of people don’t let you pass. And, as always, it’s the young who live in a selfish bubble

I am afraid I cannot agree. It is simply unfair to call the young selfish. Yes they are young and yet to go through and learn what only time can teach - ps we too were young once, remember?. Secondly they not us, are paying the price for this disease for the rest of their lives. They have very little risk from it, yet will have to bear the brunt of this economic disaster for years and years to come - no jobs, huge amounts of national debt to repay that will suppress growth and so on. We all lived and grew up in a golden generation. They will be the first generation unlikely to end up better off than the last. So perhaps we should give them a break before calling them selfish. I think it would be far better to try to understand their fears, their desires and their concerns and then collectively come to a place that respects their future as well as ours. Sorry to feel so passionately about this but with 4 kids of my own who are at or around Uni age I really worry for them and we as the older generation cannot simply point the finger at them because it is easy to do this. I read people saying that the only thing that matters is public health, public health, public health and then the economy. Really? Well without an economy we will have no public health. Every 1% drop in GDP results in many many more deaths than.we see from Covid, it just isn't so obvious. No one complains when the developed nations cut their aid programmes because it doesn't show up in our newspapers or a death somewhere far away isn't the same as one on our doorstep. So as much as it all sounds good and the sounbite works, the simple fact is that is is not as easy as that. Everything co exists and it is about time there was some balance in the equation. Apologies.

 

[newtothis]

They will be the first generation unlikely to end up better off than the last.

That is one of the defining characteristics of Generation X. In fact, it is a direct quote from the book. I'm a fully-fledged member of Generation X. I'm 55.

 

[Bouba]

And yet they seem to have so much

 

[nortada]

I am afraid I cannot agree.

It is simply unfair to call the young selfish. Yes, they are young and yet to go through and learn what only time can teach - ps we too were young once, remember?.

Secondly they not us, are paying the price for this disease for the rest of their lives. They have very little risk from it, yet will have to bear the brunt of this economic disaster for years and years to come - no jobs, huge amounts of national debt to repay that will suppress growth and so on. We all lived and grew up in a golden generation. They will be the first generation unlikely to end up better off than the last. So perhaps we should give them a break before calling them selfish.

I think it would be far better to try to understand their fears, their desires and their concerns and then collectively come to a place that respects their future as well as ours. Sorry to feel so passionately about this but with 4 kids of my own who are at or around Uni age I really worry for them and we as the older generation cannot simply point the finger at them because it is easy to do this.

I read people saying that the only thing that matters is public health, public health, public health and then the economy.

Really? Well without an economy we will have no public health. Every 1% drop in GDP results in many many more deaths than we see from Covid, it just isn't so obvious.

No one complains when the developed nations cut their aid programmes because it doesn't show up in our newspapers or a death somewhere far away isn't the same as one on our doorstep. So as much as it all sounds good and the sounbite works, the simple fact is that is is not as easy as that.

Everything co exists and it is about time there was some balance in the equation. Apologies.

Sure this is a wonderful message but please use some punctuation, like paragraphs ‘cos your consolidated text does my head in?

Like this.

 

[nortada]

And yet they seem to have so much

Compared with us they do but the same is true with us and previous generations.

The real sad generation was those born about 1895

1914, Aged 18 First World War. Survive that.
1928, Aged 33 Great Depression. That destroyed any chance of wealth.
1939, Aged 44 WW 2. Not a lot of fun, with a very real chance of being bombed out.
1945, Aged 50 10 years of rationing and real austerity.
1955 Aged 60, 5 years to a golden retirement - if they had survived that long.
1955-89 Aged 60-94 For the rest of their lives they had the very real chance of dying in a nuclear exchange.

Now that’s the hard done-by generation. The current situation pales into insignificance.

That made them what they were and this (COVID) dictates what we are.

 

[Sandyman]

Of course its spite. Spite in Portugal's case because the Left Bloc Socialist government (Note; Socialist Government ) acted promptly to protect its citizens. Unlike Johnson & his bunch of clowns who were more concerned with the economy & protecting his rich friends bank accounts than the lives of British people. The proof is on the mortuary slab.

 

[greeny]

I am afraid I cannot agree. It is simply unfair to call the young selfish. Yes they are young and yet to go through and learn what only time can teach - ps we too were young once, remember?. Secondly they not us, are paying the price for this disease for the rest of their lives. They have very little risk from it, yet will have to bear the brunt of this economic disaster for years and years to come - no jobs, huge amounts of national debt to repay that will suppress growth and so on. We all lived and grew up in a golden generation. They will be the first generation unlikely to end up better off than the last. So perhaps we should give them a break before calling them selfish. I think it would be far better to try to understand their fears, their desires and their concerns and then collectively come to a place that respects their future as well as ours. Sorry to feel so passionately about this but with 4 kids of my own who are at or around Uni age I really worry for them and we as the older generation cannot simply point the finger at them because it is easy to do this. I read people saying that the only thing that matters is public health, public health, public health and then the economy. Really? Well without an economy we will have no public health. Every 1% drop in GDP results in many many more deaths than.we see from Covid, it just isn't so obvious. No one complains when the developed nations cut their aid programmes because it doesn't show up in our newspapers or a death somewhere far away isn't the same as one on our doorstep. So as much as it all sounds good and the sounbite works, the simple fact is that is is not as easy as that. Everything co exists and it is about time there was some balance in the equation. Apologies.

Some of our generation are paying for this disease with their lives. Take your pick, our lives or their money.
"My Life Matters"

 

[NotBirdseye]

You can take my money... but I expect you to vote Green next election .

 

[Sandyman]

Of course its political . Johnson & his right wing followers no doubt think they are going to teach the European Socialist a lesson. Tory fools. https://www.portugalresident.com/br...eign-office-travel-advice-because-its-unfair/

 

[Tony Cross]

Of course its political . Johnson & his right wing followers no doubt think they are going to teach the European Socialist a lesson. Tory fools. https://www.portugalresident.com/br...eign-office-travel-advice-because-its-unfair/

Absolutely. It's all part of the plan to pretend that the UK is somehow less affected than many other countries in an attempt to create the false impression that Boris and his government handled the pandemic well. The truth is that he (and they) screwed up appallingly and the UK is now the dirty man of Europe!

 

[nortada]

Absolutely. It's all part of the plan to pretend that the UK is somehow less affected than many other countries in an attempt to create the false impression that Boris and his government handled the pandemic well. The truth is that he (and they) screwed up appallingly and the UK is now the dirty man of Europe!

Well that cunning plan didn’t work so why didn’t Boris’ Blunderers just doctor the stats