Not such a bad piece of legislation

Very good point and I have no idea how they'd deal with that one , personally I hated nicking anyone , but there are those that love jumping on even minor transgressions
 
As for being drunk in charge, I was told be a motorhome dealer that "as long as you have put the keys in the glove box and the vehicle is legally parked up, you can be as drunk as you like".

If it come to it, I think the "intention to not sail" for a reasonable period. What's a "reasonable period"? More cash for the lawyers, unless the lawyers are arrested for drunk sailing...

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Personally I can't stand drunk driving OR drunk boating , but as others have said , the law is simply not needed because we already have laws in place to deal with it , so yep , more money for solicitors , and they're as corrupt as HMG anyway
 
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but as others have said , the law is simply not needed because we already have laws in place to deal with it

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So if boating just became a less sociable pastime (assuming we can park for a minute the I-don't-need-a-drink-to-be-sociable arguement), and many of the boats in my local marina only move when loaded with mates and beer on a sunny wekend, does this mean I can look forward to a surge of cheap gin palaces for sale?
 
Whether or not you can stand "Drunk Boating" is of little relevance ... although I do not drink any alcohol until tied up there is the possibility of having to navigate your vessel whilst over the limit - at an anchorage and intending to stay for the afternoon - have a bottle of wine over lunch, and just as you're settling down for the afternoon the anchor drags ... so that sort of issue needs to be addressed, extenuating circumstances where you can be excused (rather than allowed).

It still beats me why there has to be additional law - if there is already a law in place that covers "drunk in charge" then use that one and enforce it - new laws just provide jobs for the boys and do nothing except aggravate those that it affects the most (and usually the law abiding ones!). TBH I cannot see that it will make any difference - I believe those that generally cause accidents due to being over the limit are those that don't abide by the law anyway - so unless it is going to be actively enforced it is a complete waste of time (and money).
 
I don't think this is going to affect boat sales to be honest , people didn't sell thier cars when HMG started clamping down on drunk drivers , so they aint going to sell thier boats
 
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I don't think this is going to affect boat sales to be honest , people didn't sell thier cars when HMG started clamping down on drunk drivers , so they aint going to sell thier boats

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If you are going to make assumptions about counter-arguments to your position why are you making ones that assume a pre-acceptance of breaking the law? Your position is unsustainable.
Your possesive comment about never being breathalised adds nothing.Even your comment about winning your race appears to have some implicit meaning.
The defined legislation as it stands is an ass.That,to use your terms of applying inference,means diddly squat.
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I've often wondered about the process by which one drives one's boat back to the marina after a few sherbets and then the alcohol magically clears one's system in time to drive home.

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So I guess she might be Navigating the boat in future - and you're just a passenger .... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Oh for God's sake, DW, we're talking about drinking and driving, not genocide.

If you're pissed you shouldn't be in charge of a craft, period. We all love our freedoms but that comes with the responsibility of being able to conduct ourselves in a responsible manner when we are called to. Including moving a boat after a few beers. Arguably, a skipper that chooses to get rat-arsed with a big wind forecast shouldn't be in charge in the first place.

Tough love, maybe.

The reality will be that nothing will happen unless a pissed skipper hits something hard and then could be prosecuted.

I find it quite hard to agree with a human rights poem when we're talking about a minor inconvenience to a few people partaking in minority sport compared with the genocidal tendencies of a police state.

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I think he has a point.

What will happen if you are caught drinking and boating a fine? That wont stop people

They can hardly take your licence off you...

Now there is a thought

We could licence everybody who takes to the water.
Then if we find people drink sailing/motoring we can take there licence off them? We could charge everyone for a licence and that can go towards the cost of policing it all. Better still we could create a whole new tax for boating to pay for more police Then we could have a whole new set of laws for boating!!

I dont drink or smoke. But i dont agree with making rules that comon scence should cover

Sooner or later they will try to ban something that is important to you.
But then it will be to late..

Rob
 
Looking forward to sharing bottles soon Will , which means I'll have to get some too /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif , arrangements under way for my next trip in a a few weeks so are you likely to be over here at the end of the month ?
 
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"The reality will be that nothing will happen unless a pissed skipper hits something hard and then could be prosecuted."

Do you know this for a fact?

As Duncan has pointed out the power exists to address this already.

Perhaps you missed the reference to "enforcement"

This implies to me a much more proactive policy is intended. Related to this will come a raft of issues around rights to board, to detain, to inspect, etc etc.

The question really should be - is there a problem? - and I do not see that there is.

So you have to ask: If there is no problem to solve what is the legislation for?

I am firmly of the view that this piece of legislation is a stalking horse behind which to introduce compulsory licensing and training. It fits in with the control freakery which typifies this government.
 
Re: Let\'s have a sense of perspective here

This government have introduced piece after piece of legistlation which hasn't been thought out. In times gone by, the civil service used to be a control on such things, pointing out errors and bad practice. The Lords were also a check on bad practice.

They seem to have bypassed both these controls.
 
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Perhaps they are fulfilling Sir Humphrey's dictum of substituting activity for achievement.
 
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The politicians of the time used to watch that series avidly, and commented on the accuracy of the series.

Maybe we need to reinstate the civil service to it's old standards of independence from the elected pary.
 
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