Not a happy weekend

I feel I must apologise to Apollo. I was walking back from the rewind festival last saturday night, in the dark, when I stopped to talk to him - I was carrying my torch at the time and it was switched on!

If you are reading this Apollo, I am so sorry for having my torch on and shining it (at night, in the dark), whilst we had a conversation - In hindsight I was so lucky that you didn't give me the kicking that I deserved!
 
It is an interesting discussion, a young family has felt threatened, and some people are trying to show sympathy. On the other side, "Inception" is trying to make his point that river is not owned by a small group of people.

Well, to be fair, without being there and seeing what has happened, it is hard to tell. Those young guys who were abusive then could be banned from using even a pub is they were being rude and abusive inside a place intended for partying! If they were there!

The concept of "showing a torch" being nasty is funny though!!!! I must be careful too! :D

Have a good day!
 
I agree that people should be allowed to have a BBQ or 'party' with friends which in turn may mean that the noise level to nearby boaters wishing for a quiet evening is not to their satisfaction . Part of the enjoyment of boating is the social side but surely this should be combined with a bit of consideration for people around you?

We also do not know the exact manner or tone of voice used to request the noise level to be reduced, but the main issue here is the totally unacceptable response in the form of physical and verbal abuse and continued harassment to a man and wife with a small child!!!
 
inlandnewbie said:
I feel I must apologise to Apollo. I was walking back from the rewind festival last saturday night, in the dark, when I stopped to talk to him - I was carrying my torch at the time and it was switched on!

If you are reading this Apollo, I am so sorry for having my torch on and shining it (at night, in the dark), whilst we had a conversation - In hindsight I was so lucky that you didn't give me the kicking that I deserved!
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Thats ok fella, dont believe everything you read from peeps like Dogsbody...

I was just glad you werent the moorings chap as I still havent paid him!!
(He was too busy going up and down the reach half on the plane charging folks £5 per head per trip as a taxi but his sizable wash did not budge my boat off the ground at our mooring)
I dare say he will back charge me this weekend, he is never one to miss earning a buck!

On the subject of the thread, why is this any different than the laws on noise pollution at home? Theoretically its no different.

If its a club, you should write to their Commodore or Secretary.
 
This has been an interesting conversation so far :D

We travel with a group of boats most weekends and tend to have a small gathering most weekends. This most often than not results in some noise, but we do try and keep that to a minimum and wherever possible away from other boats.

Last weekend we had a bigger party and managed this without making a nuisance to the other boaters moored where we were. We gave them all fair warning of our intentions well before we started, which gives them some chance to move off if they wish. They may not have had the quietest night ever but we tried our very best to keep the disturbance to a minimum. You can have parties without disturbing unduly those around you.

This will be of no help to the OP right now of course but it can be put down to experience. We dont always get what we want and on public moorings we cant always expect that we will get peace and quiet everytime we moor up. Life and boating takes all sorts.

Just as an add on extra to this though. Had the moorings been perfectly quiet but the OP's child had been crying, would this count as disturbance to other moorers?
 
CX54WEK said:
Just as an add on extra to this though. Had the moorings been perfectly quiet but the OP's child had been crying, would this count as disturbance to other moorers?
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so long as the baby doesnt come over and threaten me with violence, I'd accept is as 'just one of those things'. :D

You and your mates are clearly like most people in here: reasonable. Unlike the OP's neighbours.....
 
I would have found it hard to control my normally placid Mancunian temper, I think he'd have gone swimming.:D
 
I find Incentive's remarks bizarre, shining a torch is not nasty, threatening a family with a baby certainly is; in a perfect world the OP would have a machine gun !

I had a vaguely similar incident years ago at Wareham quay, Dorset.

My then fiancee & i were in our 22' sailing boat, when suddenly more and more speedboats started to pile alongside, mostly crewed by thuggy types; all secured by one bit of string amidships, so by the time there were 6 of them the raft was an interesting formation.

It turned out there was going to be a concert in the adjoining car park; one of the decent mobo guys saw my growing concern, and annoyance at them constantly stomping across my boat twanging the rigging, and said " if you want a quiet night, I'd move ".

I was thinking the same, but when I said we're going this did not go down at all well; lots of muttering & sullen looks, then a gang of them made a show of going to our stern to get our name, I distinctly heard " we'll get him later ".

We had to hand our selves along the bridge to get out and head down river; snag was the tide wouldn't let us out into Poole.

Rather than risk it and be a sitting target aground, we found a slightly sheltered corner and set to disguising the boat, changing her appearance as much as possible, draping a sail over the distinctive windows etc.

There followed an anxious few hours getting things like flares ready ( and I do not mean for calling help ! ), especially as I had seen how they were looking at Julia with her long blonde hair; this was before mobiles, and I knew at least 1 speedboat had a VHF so didn't feel like calling...

Luckily as hoped they all shot past at high speed later in the dark, but it was most unpleasant, I feel for the OP here.
 
Seajet said:
I find Incentive's remarks bizarre.
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You are all missing the point (my point!).

Yes, when you see a group of drunk people, what do you do?! A sensible person will just walk away, as they can not be controlled.

What the OP has done might have aggravated them.

And once again, he should not have expected everybody to stay quiet because he had a baby on the boat especially in a public place.
 
"Disturbing the peace is a crime generally defined as the unsettling of proper order in a public space through one's actions. This can include creating loud noise by fighting or challenging to fight, disturbing others by loud and unreasonable noise (including loud music), or using offensive words or insults likely to incite violence."


Ring any bells :)
 
oldgit said:
"Disturbing the peace is a crime generally defined as the unsettling of proper order in a public space through one's actions. This can include creating loud noise by fighting or challenging to fight, disturbing others by loud and unreasonable noise (including loud music), or using offensive words or insults likely to incite violence."


Ring any bells :)
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Good to know, so every crying baby is also disturbing the peace then!!!

You like it or not, but until you treat others with "respect" they won't treat you with respect.

People won't stop enjoying their life simply because " a crying baby" wants to sleep. I am almost certain although that anyone would have minimised the noise level "IF" (YES IF) he was being approached nicely and requested to keep the noise down.

NOT BY TORCH!! :p
 
inception said:
Good to know, so every crying baby is also disturbing the peace then!!!

You like it or not, but until you treat others with "respect" they won't treat you with respect.

People won't stop enjoying their life simply because " a crying baby" wants to sleep. I am almost certain although that anyone would have minimised the noise level "IF" (YES IF) he was being approached nicely and requested to keep the noise down.

NOT BY TORCH!! :p
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Interesting, and quite possibly true in some, not all cases.

Today, I was in a train in Walthamstow, not a nice place, and down the carriage was a large African sporting a loud deep voice and a set of dreadlocks extrordinaire, who was ranting on about hating people, what 'We' the bad white people were doing to Africans, and using a few choice words in the process.

He then started bleating about Gadaffi, so I looked at him intently, thinking how nice it would be to shoot him, but instead just watching him and what he was doing as he talked.

He stood up, carried on ranting while a few people moved along the carriage to get away, when he spotted me looking, and warned me not to.
Obviously I carried on, and just smiled, and he warned me again.

I said to him 'Is this all about Gadaffi then?' and he came over still ranting, at which point I asked him where he was from, and why he was so upset about these things.

We ended up walking down the platform once the train stopped, laughing and talking. Mad the Rwandan may have been, but he was actually a chatty enough and reasonable guy. :o

I suspect telling him to shut the f@ck up may have inflamed the situation to an irretrievable degree...:D
 
Small children vs Loud Music.

"People won't stop enjoying their life simply because " a crying baby" wants to sleep."


ahh ....GrassHopper......Life has obviously got so much to learn from you,however you may wish to consult your mum on this one. Good Luck. :):):)
 
There have certainly been some interesting comments!

I would like to make the point that I myself am certainly one for a party and good music, and I don't have a problem with a party on a public mooring - we all have to share the river and want to have fun. The whole issue in this case was the needless threat of violence and the intimidation that my family received from a fellow boater, not the 'rights' of anyone to make a noise.

Interestingly, at this particular mooring, the receipt that is issued upon payment of the fees states that a condition of mooring is that "consideration must be shown to other boaters and not to cause disturbence or noise, particularly in the hours of darkness" - their rules, not mine. So if we are talking about 'rights', anyone moored at that place should expect peace and quiet and as such anyone planning a party should make a bit of an effort to warn or placate their neighbours.

As for comparing babies with music... if you only knew the number of times I prayed that he had a mute button :-D
 
oldgit said:
"Disturbing the peace is a crime generally defined as the unsettling of proper order in a public space through one's actions. This can include creating loud noise by fighting or challenging to fight, disturbing others by loud and unreasonable noise (including loud music), or using offensive words or insults likely to incite violence."
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I thought you were referring to YBW "Lounge" on a Friday night:D
 
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