Wansworth
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No in general very helpful lot.Ijust ignore negative attitudes….we found a good gestoria to sort our tax every year.MaybeIt might be better not to rush too much how stuff works is different in Iberia,
Northern Spain / Portugal relocation couple of questions
- Thread starter Marceline
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TheAncientMariner
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Thankyou. Yasmine Marina in Hammamet have just offered me an 11 x 4 metre annual berth for €1880. I am tempted, especially as there is a ferry service to Marseille and Malta /Sicily are only just over the horizon.
Portugal is nice (but not €100k in VAT nice) and cheap (€2800 for an equivalent berth in VRSA, much more in e.g. Villamoura, Albafueira or Portimao). I can buy a whole lot of Schengen substitutes for €1,000 a year and €100k in the Bank)
Portugal is nice (but not €100k in VAT nice) and cheap (€2800 for an equivalent berth in VRSA, much more in e.g. Villamoura, Albafueira or Portimao). I can buy a whole lot of Schengen substitutes for €1,000 a year and €100k in the Bank)
Wansworth
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Sounds good,prices for berthing are not as cheap as they used to be at least in GaliciaThankyou. Yasmine Marina in Hammamet have just offered me an 11 x 4 metre annual berth for €1880. I am tempted, especially as there is a ferry service to Marseille and Malta /Sicily are only just over the horizon.
Portugal is nice (but not €100k in VAT nice) and cheap (€2800 for an equivalent berth in VRSA, much more in e.g. Villamoura, Albafueira or Portimao). I can buy a whole lot of Schengen substitutes for €1,000 a year and €100k in the Bank)
Fr J Hackett
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Thankyou. Yasmine Marina in Hammamet have just offered me an 11 x 4 metre annual berth for €1880. I am tempted, especially as there is a ferry service to Marseille and Malta /Sicily are only just over the horizon.
Portugal is nice (but not €100k in VAT nice) and cheap (€2800 for an equivalent berth in VRSA, much more in e.g. Villamoura, Albafueira or Portimao). I can buy a whole lot of Schengen substitutes for €1,000 a year and €100k in the Bank)
Are you sure you would be liable to VAT? Unless you are a permanent resident of the EU and taxed in the EU and permanently importing your boat I don't think you are and even then there is the question of countries operating duel taxation, France does don't know about Portugal and Spain.
Travelling Westerly
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Are you taking that berth offer up? Sounds like an interesting place for a winter stay, tempted myself...Thankyou. Yasmine Marina in Hammamet have just offered me an 11 x 4 metre annual berth for €1880. I am tempted, especially as there is a ferry service to Marseille and Malta /Sicily are only just over the horizon.
Portugal is nice (but not €100k in VAT nice) and cheap (€2800 for an equivalent berth in VRSA, much more in e.g. Villamoura, Albafueira or Portimao). I can buy a whole lot of Schengen substitutes for €1,000 a year and €100k in the Bank)
V1701
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They accepted a 12 month marina contract as my proof of address in Leixoes (Porto area)...
Graham376
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Was that before or after B deadline and was the boat actually there?
PlanB
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This You Tube clip on Spanish bureaucracy is a hoot.
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Wansworth
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That’s why you need a gestoria in Spain
V1701
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It was before the end of the B transition period, the boat was there but they didn't know that it was. I have to say the guy who dealt with me could not have been more helpful and welcoming...
Marceline
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hi again - one other option we'd welcome any advice on (and one I'd not considered before as we were thinking 'North'), but is moving to a UK registered/VAT boat in Gibraltar an 'easier' option for UK passport holders (but still working remote for a company in England )?
In this scenario we'd prefer to liveaboard, and sail out for 90 days to places in the Med/Atlantic
Are there any downsides/upsides to this approach - rather than trying to get Digital Nomad visas for Spain/Portugal ?
In this scenario we'd prefer to liveaboard, and sail out for 90 days to places in the Med/Atlantic
Are there any downsides/upsides to this approach - rather than trying to get Digital Nomad visas for Spain/Portugal ?
Sailfree
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Northern Spain and N Portugal are beautiful but do experience a period there in Winter. We found it too wet and cold but lovely in the Summer. Likewise we found S Portugal to hot and crowded in the Summer plus more expensive.
Hence we chose the Silver Coast but everyone has different priorities/opinions - otherwise we would all live in the same place!!
As others have said and it also my understanding that in some places you can apply for residency with a Marina Berth and others won't accept that. It would be simpler and more certain to take out a cheap rental agreement for a few months and apply for a residency from there.
We lived on board in Nazare Marina for some 18months after we sold the apartment and was waiting for our house to be built. I pay €1650 for a 1 year berthing contract for a 43' boat in Nazare.
If you obtain residency there is a period where you can transfer your assets (providing you have owned them for I think 1year prior to moving) without taxes imposed eg Car matriculation to a Portuguese number plate, not sure if it applies to boat (not re-registering it but just bringing it with your own possessions) Obviously specialist advice is great but would be even better if it was consistent - which is difficult when different places choose to interpret the rules differently.
Whatever you decide good luck.
Hence we chose the Silver Coast but everyone has different priorities/opinions - otherwise we would all live in the same place!!
As others have said and it also my understanding that in some places you can apply for residency with a Marina Berth and others won't accept that. It would be simpler and more certain to take out a cheap rental agreement for a few months and apply for a residency from there.
We lived on board in Nazare Marina for some 18months after we sold the apartment and was waiting for our house to be built. I pay €1650 for a 1 year berthing contract for a 43' boat in Nazare.
If you obtain residency there is a period where you can transfer your assets (providing you have owned them for I think 1year prior to moving) without taxes imposed eg Car matriculation to a Portuguese number plate, not sure if it applies to boat (not re-registering it but just bringing it with your own possessions) Obviously specialist advice is great but would be even better if it was consistent - which is difficult when different places choose to interpret the rules differently.
Whatever you decide good luck.
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Marceline
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thanks ever so much Sailfree - that's very helpful to know (and wow at the €1650 annual berth for your 43' boat!) 
Graham376
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Negotiations have been underway for some time about Gib joining Schengen territory so it's bolt-hole status may well be ending.
Marceline
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thanks for the heads up Graham - I'd not known about that (just been reading the below)
Gibraltar Could Join Schengen Zone by the End of This Year - SchengenVisaInfo.com
sorry to ask further (as VAT and visa rules and such like for UK passport holders I'm still trying to wrap my head around)
if I managed to relocate to Gibraltar, would I then be able to travel in EU for longer than 90 days if/when this change happens ?
also - do I need to get a residency card/visa for Gibraltar as a UK Passport holder - or is it ok to move to there (currently as things stand) ?
Gibraltar Could Join Schengen Zone by the End of This Year - SchengenVisaInfo.com
sorry to ask further (as VAT and visa rules and such like for UK passport holders I'm still trying to wrap my head around)
if I managed to relocate to Gibraltar, would I then be able to travel in EU for longer than 90 days if/when this change happens ?
also - do I need to get a residency card/visa for Gibraltar as a UK Passport holder - or is it ok to move to there (currently as things stand) ?
Graham376
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The VAT situation is fairly simple. As a UK resident, you can bring a UK boat to the EU for 18 months and then leave for a short period (even a day) and then return for another 18 months. If you take up residence in an EU country then you may be able to bring the boat VAT free as @Sailfree mentioned, otherwise VAT will be due on current value.
With residence in an EU country, you can spend as much time there as you want but still limited to 90/180 in the rest of Europe, unless married to or in legal partnership with an EU citizen, when travel in their company is unlimited. I have no idea what the situation will be for Gib residents if they do become part of Schengen or, whether Gib is open for new residents.
Marceline
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thanks Graham - thats very helpful to know
st599
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You can also travel with your child, if they have an EU passport.
stephen_h
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You may find it difficult to find a berth in Gib. I believe there are long waiting lists!
