Nice trip up the Ouse spoiled

[macnorton]

Not sure why you've quoted me twice. I'm as much American as you're a mathematician.

Average boat, what, 30 feet? '10' yards for ease of explanation. Ely 25 yards across? 2.5 boat lengths? Thats some serious and impressive short tacking if it's true, impossible if it's not.

The river at Ely is app 25 yards wide esp nearing the town (I HAVE been there!), the boats were poss small sailing boats.
There is an "I own the river" attitude from some small sailboats and esp rowing boats in that area and you need to learn how to deal with it which can be difficult, morso for a "newby" .

The OP has only just (weeks) started boating and I feel he should be able air his feelings and poss learn from the feedback given without receiving ridicule from someone who has only just themselves joined the forum and could themselves be considered "a newby".

If a sailboat under sail with the engine running meets a mobo, who has right of way?

 

[Just_sayin']

If a sailboat under sail with the engine running meets a mobo, who has right of way?

Are you serious?

First of all there is no such thing. One vessel is the stand on vessel.

Take away the sail, it is irrelevant. Most peoples first thoughts would turn to 'on the right, in the right" but other factors are even more relevant, constrained by draft, restricted ability to manoeuvre etc

Why do you ask on a thread that relates to sailing craft mixing with motor driven vessels?

 

[Elessar]

Old story if I was, I haven't sailed in a boat that didn't have a bar, a bed and a toilet in about 20 years...

Most sailors know how to motor a boat, it's not much to ask for most motorboaters to know how a boat sails is it?

I agree and I think that to be able to pass yachtmaster sail you should be at least dayskipper level power and visa versa.

Your " most sailors know how to motor a boat" comment betrays your own ignorance of handing a power boat. Pointing a single engine boat with a huge keel and huge rudder at low speed is something akin to the boating lake at legoland.

 

[l'escargot]

I agree and I think that to be able to pass yachtmaster sail you should be at least dayskipper level power and visa versa.

Your " most sailors know how to motor a boat" comment betrays your own ignorance of handing a power boat. Pointing a single engine boat with a huge keel and huge rudder at low speed is something akin to the boating lake at legoland.

And your post demonstrates your ignorance, many power boaters only know how to drive one type of boat too - oh and I've got my powerboat advanced cert and experience with twin out drives...

 

[Elessar]

And your post demonstrates your ignorance, many power boaters only know how to drive one type of boat too - oh and I've got my powerboat advanced cert and experience with twin out drives...

Dont follow your logic. My first reply to the OP was "learn to sail"

And power boat courses are almost exclusively single engine outboards BTW.

 

[Aardee]

The OP has only just (weeks) started boating and I feel he should be able air his feelings and poss learn from the feedback given without receiving ridicule from someone who has only just themselves joined the forum and could themselves be considered "a newby".

Maybe the OP would have been better posting something along the lines of "I'm new to this, here's what happened, what could I have done differently?" - The original post does come across as just another raggie-bashing session. You're quite right though, some folks are far too keen on sticking the boot in...

 

[mark.adams]

How about we draw a line under this and move on... we're all boaters and enjoy the water - nuff said...

 

[Aardee]

How about we draw a line under this and move on... we're all boaters and enjoy the water - nuff said...

Well said...

 

[l'escargot]

Dont follow your logic. My first reply to the OP was "learn to sail"

And power boat courses are almost exclusively single engine outboards BTW.

So would you compare single engine outboards as "akin to a boating lake at Legoland" - you're making this driving a boat under power sound simpler and simpler. All different configurations of power have different capabilities and I think you seriously underestimate manoeuvring a sailing boat under power. I would think someone used to manoeuvring a sailing boat under power in close quarters would probably make less of a hash of doing the same with a powerboat than vice versa.

 

[Elessar]

So would you compare single engine outboards as "akin to a boating lake at Legoland" - you're making this driving a boat under power sound simpler and simpler. All different configurations of power have different capabilities and I think you seriously underestimate manoeuvring a sailing boat under power. I would think someone used to manoeuvring a sailing boat under power in close quarters would probably make less of a hash of doing the same with a powerboat than vice versa.

I'm not underestimating anything. I used to race dinghys then race cruisers, and have cruised extensively under sail. I still take out sailing cruisers quite often. I love sailing and boating of every type.

I also teach in the motor cruising scheme, which is predominantly the twin engined stuff. I get a lot of really good sailors in for conversion courses. Generally they go way way too fast and its a huge eye opener for them when you take away the predictable grip on the water a sailing boat has. They mostly learn quickly of course but despite their experience they, generally are staggered by how much they have to learn.

 

[l'escargot]

...Pointing a single engine boat with a huge keel and huge rudder at low speed is something akin to the boating lake at legoland.

I'm not underestimating anything...

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one then...

 

[lisilou]

Sounds like he drove himself into the situation either without realising or deliberately, neither of which is really justifiable. Presumably as he said "I managed to get into one of the fairways out of their way..." he had also gone out of the fairway to get into that situation which might even suggest he was looking for conflict. Can't really complain about dinghies racing outside the fairway, people are usually saying that's where they should be aren't they, or is it just that some motorboats don't want to share the water with sailing boats wherever they are?

You really weren't there so you really have no idea tbh. Trust me, if you'd seen it, you'd see how wrong you are.
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[Searush]

How about we draw a line under this and move on... we're all boaters and enjoy the water - nuff said...

Nice try, but the forum bulldogs have their teeth in it now. Sorry it's been a traumatic learning experience, but hell, life's like that isn't it?

 

[l'escargot]

You really weren't there so you really have no idea tbh. Trust me, if you'd seen it, you'd see how wrong you are.
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I know I wasn't there, that's why I said "it sounds like...", I can only go on how you and Gary described it in your posts. Now you are saying things are different from how you said, are you sure you were there or even Gary was?

 

[lisilou]

I know I wasn't there, that's why I said "it sounds like...", I can only go on how you and Gary described it in your posts. Now you are saying things are different from how you said, are you sure you were there or even Gary was?

Then you've misunderstood the scenario painted. Seriously, if you had been there, you wouldn't try arguing the point on this. You might also be interested to know that Gary wasn't the only boat to have every conceivable escape route blocked by the racing dinghies. I watched the whole thing...it was mayhem coz the dinghies hadn't a clue what they were doing or which way they were supposed to be heading never mind they themselves trying to negotiate all the 'waiting' dinghies in the 'pool'.
However, from the pontoon it made great viewing
L

 

[l'escargot]

Then you've misunderstood the scenario painted. Seriously, if you had been there, you wouldn't try arguing the point on this. You might also be interested to know that Gary wasn't the only boat to have every conceivable escape route blocked by the racing dinghies. I watched the whole thing...it was mayhem coz the dinghies hadn't a clue what they were doing or which way they were supposed to be heading never mind they themselves trying to negotiate all the 'waiting' dinghies in the 'pool'.
However, from the pontoon it made great viewing
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I'm not arguing a point at all, just trying to understand the situation which sounds somewhat unique. Did the dinghies wait in ambush and then pounce on the poor unsuspecting moboers? Did it happen in the fairway or somewhere else? It sounds a fascinating spectacle, if it is going to be a regular occurrence I would like to come and watch...

 

[lisilou]

You should Snaily...it was great! To answer your questions, this year there were dozens of racing dinghies of all differing classes by the look, trying to hold position in the 'pool' area up at Swanwick awaiting their 'start' whereupon they all raced up, down and across the entire fairway. Not an inch of water spared for any non race traffic be they sail or motor. One poor raggie entering the pool from the bridge, had a dinghy sail into the front of his boat as he tried to negotiate his way through.
Everyone was taking it in their stride and in good humour (including Gary) except one particular racing group who insisted that every other boater should not be there.
It was highly amusing to hear the expletives coming from their mouths. So serious they were...I expected to see Sir Ben leading the fleet! Alas no .
A great weekend as ever tho.
L

 

[macnorton]

Are you serious?

First of all there is no such thing. One vessel is the stand on vessel.

Take away the sail, it is irrelevant. Most peoples first thoughts would turn to 'on the right, in the right" but other factors are even more relevant, constrained by draft, restricted ability to manoeuvre etc

Why do you ask on a thread that relates to sailing craft mixing with motor driven vessels?

As soon as a sailing boat starts the engine sails up or not it is legally classed as a motor boat as it is under power and does not have the right of way over a power boat, but I didn't expect you to know that?

 

[SLC]

You should Snaily...it was great! To answer your questions, this year there were dozens of racing dinghies of all differing classes by the look, trying to hold position in the 'pool' area up at Swanwick awaiting their 'start' whereupon they all raced up, down and across the entire fairway. Not an inch of water spared for any non race traffic be they sail or motor. One poor raggie entering the pool from the bridge, had a dinghy sail into the front of his boat as he tried to negotiate his way through.
Everyone was taking it in their stride and in good humour (including Gary) except one particular racing group who insisted that every other boater should not be there.
It was highly amusing to hear the expletives coming from their mouths. So serious they were...I expected to see Sir Ben leading the fleet! Alas no .
A great weekend as ever tho.
L

My experience suggests they always hunt in packs.

 

[oGaryo]

You should Snaily...it was great! To answer your questions, this year there were dozens of racing dinghies of all differing classes by the look, trying to hold position in the 'pool' area up at Swanwick awaiting their 'start' whereupon they all raced up, down and across the entire fairway. Not an inch of water spared for any non race traffic be they sail or motor. One poor raggie entering the pool from the bridge, had a dinghy sail into the front of his boat as he tried to negotiate his way through.
Everyone was taking it in their stride and in good humour (including Gary) except one particular racing group who insisted that every other boater should not be there.
It was highly amusing to hear the expletives coming from their mouths. So serious they were...I expected to see Sir Ben leading the fleet! Alas no .
A great weekend as ever tho.
L

How's this rough and somewhat hazy sketch Lisa? does it depict the situation from your vantage point? the race dinghies all with fetching black sails (same 'elite' club maybe?) cut the corner of the channel to join the channel immediately to our stern and basically swamped us aft, port and starboard with their waggly tongues and foul mouths . little we could do but continue to wait patiently for the tacking dinghies in front of us to make their way up stream 'at a snails pace' so we could nip into the next fairway to our starboard quarter.