New teak decks - costs.

[brians]

Can anyone give me an idea of the cost of replacing the teak decks on a 40ft Beneteau Oceanis. Includes side decks, cockpit seats and cockpit floor to maintain consistency.

Would it be significantly cheaper to go for synthetic bearing in mind that the not insignificant cost of removing the old deck is the same in both cases.

 

[pvb]

In the UK, you'd probably be looking at £25-35K. If you can find a company which has already made pre-assembled teak deck panels for your model of yacht, it could be cheaper, as all the planning work will already have been done. Fake teak probably wouldn't be much cheaper.

 

[Tranona]

The original is almost certainly constructed using pre-made panels vacuum bagged with a polyurethane adhesive onto a standard deck. First stop might be Ancasta (Beneteau dealers) for advice as almost certainly they will have come across this issue before and may have a source for the panels. Cockpits are relatively easy to do because the panels are mostly flat and the teak is straight strips. You can get such panels custom made to your pattern from www.kjhowells.com at around £300 sqm. Decks are more complex because of the curves, but Moody Decking in Swanwick specialise in these (as well as cockpits).

 

[Colvic Watson]

In the UK, you'd probably be looking at £25-35K. If you can find a company which has already made pre-assembled teak deck panels for your model of yacht, it could be cheaper, as all the planning work will already have been done. Fake teak probably wouldn't be much cheaper.

Much cheaper in fake teak. Removing all the dreaded treadmaster and laying tek-dek for our 35 footer with large side and foredeck was £10,000.

 

[pvb]

Much cheaper in fake teak. Removing all the dreaded treadmaster and laying tek-dek for our 35 footer with large side and foredeck was £10,000.

What grade of Tek-Dek was that? And did that include cockpit floor and seats, all labour, lift/launch costs, removing fittings and replacing, etc?

 

[brians]

In the UK, you'd probably be looking at £25-35K. If you can find a company which has already made pre-assembled teak deck panels for your model of yacht, it could be cheaper, as all the planning work will already have been done. Fake teak probably wouldn't be much cheaper.

That's about 50% of the market value of the boat!

 

[Spi D]

More than often people look for alternatives when they receive offers.

Faux teak or other synthetic material or even Awl Grip seems to be popular. I believe that syn teak material are manufactured by one or a few manufacturers, then marketed in various shapes.

I got as far as to making a 1:1 template of the cockpit and requesting prices. Still about £300 / sqm and then DIY fitting. Haven't t taken the plunge yet as not confident I can fit it to the standard that I want.

 

[Javelin]

Ball park based on Oceanis 43 for 9mm qtr sawn, was 10k.
However this was for foredeck and sidedecks only.
Also dependent on the number of fittings to removed/replaced due to extra man hours.

Tek-dek would be a bit cheaper but not much as the man hours are not that different.
In my experience making panels and then transferring them to the boat never quite works out so I tend to lay up direct on the deck.

 

[pvb]

In my experience making panels and then transferring them to the boat never quite works out so I tend to lay up direct on the deck.

I've seen it being done on a Westerly Oceanlord, with good results. The teak panel supplier used a laser-mapping system which accurately recorded all the key points on the deck. The data was then transferred to a CAD program which drew up the precise panel shapes, and then the teak was assembled on some sort of backing sheet. Finally, the marina boatyard stuck the panels on, and did the finishing work. It was a big job because lots of fittings had to be removed, necessitating dismantling interior trim.

 

[Javelin]

The issue I've had with large long panels is ensuring you get rid of all the air underneath whilst at the same time getting the precise alignment right.
Starting at one and and working down the length, starts well and then can go quickly pair shaped.

 

[Tranona]

Don't know about the oceanis, but Bavaria teak decks are only laid on the part of the deck that does not have any fittings, so, although the old stuff still has to be removed there are no fittings to leak or need removing.

 

[Boo2]

...Tek-dek would be a bit cheaper but not much as the man hours are not that different...

Hoiw many man hours would be involved in a complete job incluyding removing the old teak and deck hardware and replacing the teak and putting the fittings back would you say, Javelin ?

Boo2

 

[pvb]

Don't know about the oceanis, but Bavaria teak decks are only laid on the part of the deck that does not have any fittings, so, although the old stuff still has to be removed there are no fittings to leak or need removing.

I think the Oceanis has the mooring cleats mounted on top of the teak.

 

[Tranona]

Hoiw many man hours would be involved in a complete job incluyding removing the old teak and deck hardware and replacing the teak and putting the fittings back would you say, Javelin ?

Boo2

Piece of string question as it depends on the individual boat - how many fittings to remove, what the access is and how the deck is attached to the substrate.

 

[Boo2]

Piece of string question as it depends on the individual boat - how many fittings to remove, what the access is and how the deck is attached to the substrate.

Agreed, but I was thinking specifically of the O43 as a single data point.

Boo2

 

[Javelin]

As above its hard to say without seeing the boat but I'd say between 170 to 200 hours for a difficult one to maybe 100 to 130 hours for an easier one.
So for one man around four weeks or £5k

ISH.....

Obviously if the owner removed fittings and did stuff at weekends the time would be reduced, as the owner of a 3/4 tonner we re-decked last month did.

 

[KellysEye]

When we removed our teak deck, which were laid on marine ply, I couldn't believe the weight of a few square feet, after removal the boat was four inches higher in the water, the boat weighed 15 tons fully loaded which indicates the total weight removed. The reason we did was so we didn't have to spend a larges sum on new one.

 

[richardbrennan]

I had the teak cockpit seats replaced with Dek-King and the same product laid on the cockpit sole on my Ocean 33 three years ago. I cannot remember the exact break down, but the total cost was £1300 of which I thing £500 was for removing the old seats. This included them visiting the boat and taking templates, manufacturing the panels, and then removing and the old seats (which took two men about an hour) and laying the new stuff. No fittings required moving, but a cutout round the fuel filler was required. Obviously you would have to scale up this figure to do the side decks as well, but I would think that £10 K should cover it depending on the amount of fittings to be removed. If you could remove the fittings yourself, as has been suggested, it should save you quite a lot.

The work has been widely admired, I have tried to attach a picture, but without success as I think the file at 22 Mb is too big; PM me if you would like it.

 

[pvb]

... after removal the boat was four inches higher in the water,

Gosh, your old teak decks must have been extremely thick!

 

[Tranona]

Gosh, your old teak decks must have been extremely thick!

As usual he gets things wrong. Even if his decks were 12mm thick they would not weigh enough to sink a boat that size by 4". But as we know once he gets something fixed in his mind he just keeps repeating it independent of whether it is correct or not.

Anyway, the OPs boat will have 6mm teak at maximum so doubt he will notice the weight reduction if he removes it.